Government Conspiracy?

[PCUser]

For those of you who still don't believe there was a plane crash into the Pentagon after that previous post (bravo Gelfin!), I have gone to the trouble of locating a very distinctive plane piece: the wheels.

I am going to attempt to attach a small section of an image I found on defenselink

(http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Sep2001/010914-F-8006R-005.jpg, found from the page http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Sep2001/)

It really helps to see the wheels amongst the full picture, but that file is 2MB and some people might not be able to get that as fast as I can

 

[Gelfin]

Jeez, I shoulda checked Snopes first. Would've saved me a lot of typing.

 

[kishba]

well that just goes to show I shouldn't believe everything i read

sorry for causing any problems/anger

 

[Hemingray]

Well, it looks like I was right about the sand and gravel.

 

[nicely]

CNN.com had a video of the Pentagon crash

I've had no luck finding it in CNN.com's archives, but there was definitely a video clip of Flight 77 flying into the Pentagon. It came in very low and almost didn't make it over the nearby highway. It was released by the Pentagon maybe 2 or 3 months ago.

 

[G4scott]

Re: huuummmmmmm- good, very goood

Originally posted by wake up Jobs!!!
Well, I have put much thought into these pictures and I have came to the conclusion that the explosion that happened on sept. 11 in D.C. was not caused by a plane- 757, but by a smaller object, possibly a truck with a bomb or somthing of that size. But it is strange, there is no tire tracks, no visible hole a truck traveled in , or debris from the truck. this tells me that it was not caused by a truck, but by a explosion inside, one of such magnatude that a person carrieing a bomb is allmost ruled out, but this could have been what happened........

I hate to burst your bubble, but that persom had to have ran into the building to cause the damage the way it was, and he had to have tons of explosives, and something to set the place on fire for so long... After visiting the link provided by dukestreet, it is kind of apparent what happened. There is no way that someone with enough explosives to destroy that much of the pentagon (a hardened military structure) could get near it without being noticed and most likely shot. Besides, there'd be a lot more debris outside...

 

[rEd Eye]

Read between the lines!

OK,so maybe a 747 crashed into the pentagon without leaving any marks on the lawn.I actually never stopped to consider otherwise before this thread.
The scary part is,if you stop and take half a look at the big picture,nothing makes sense.I am not the most politicaly minded person,but I can see multiple reasons,all revolving around national gain and control of international interests as being a driving factor behind the U.S.A. possibly masterminding this attack.
Everything from the fishy smelling U.S. presidential ballot counts,up until the present daily occurences gives me a raw gut feeling that something is very wrong!
I am not going to bother at this time going into the details of my perspective views and observations on these matters,as many of them are based on unfounded evidence,and more based on observing my intuition and feelings.
However anyone who does not feel that the U.S.government is incapable of forging an attack upon themselves as a political strategy may find these articles of interest.

http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewMediaFile.cfm?REF=136

http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature.cfm?REF=291

Quite a bit more reading material here,if you feel inclined.Search the site for "september 11",as an example.

 

[krossfyter]

if history all up to today is fishy to you then you might agree with the ILLUMINATI answer to it all.

At the very least it makes for an interesting world!!

 

[Rower_CPU]

Wow, rEd Eye, those are some really interesting links...

I'm not sure what's scarier in this situation, that the US had prior knowledge and allowed/encouraged the attacks for political reasons, or that everyone was completely clueless and ill-prepared...

The fact remains that 9/11/01 was a tragic day...on par with 12/07/42 (is that the right year?) and Pearl Harbor...
What's really sad is the possibility that people may have lost their lives for the political and economic gains of the US.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Re: Canada

Originally posted by mischief
Want an interesting read?

Go read the Canadian Constitution.

Hey, let me know when Canada lets Quebec secede...talk about a conspiracy...sheesh

 

[rEd Eye]

Conspiracy as a word seems overused,and therefore disenvalued by people who come across it all to often.If you want to waste the time you could cook almost anything down to a conspiracy.It doesn't seem to be an appropriate description for this type of scenario.I would suggest"mass manipulation"to be an appropriate phrase?
I have no disagreement with the fact that 9/11/01 was a tragic day.However it was a tragic day the first civilian was killed(I believe many more than revealed),in the process of seeking out the supposed forces in Afghanistan behind these attacks.Also was it a tragic day that any country found the "need"to police another via weaponry,or to conquer the resources of neighbors.All war that involves destruction is terrorism in the highest degree.What I think is even sicker is that the larger the superpower,the more "legal"and internationally accepted,the acts of terrorism are.
Like the US has never dropped a big mutherfukin' bomb on anyone as well as had a direct hand in the deaths of thousands.
But obviously that was "legal".......if you wrote the law!
When someone else weak and small decides that they have had enough, it's a crime against humanity.Personaly,I don't see the difference.It's all cold blooded murder when you remove any one sidedly biased perspective.
But hey!We're probably better off with a little population control anyhow,eh?
Gettin kinda crowded in our exponential frenzy of breeding and miracles of modern medicine.lol
Any of you computer geniuses here bothered to take the time to perform any not too complicated mathematical equasions as to determine what the population of earth will be in only 100 years?
Not a pretty picture!
Good thing the government sells us lots of cigarettes and booze.......(speaking of murder,more people in the US die every year from smoking tobacco than did altogether in the 9/11 attacks!)

 

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

The fact remains that 9/11/01 was a tragic day...on par with 12/07/42 (is that the right year?) and Pearl Harbor...

No. 1941

 

[Taft]

Re: Gelfin

I dunno, I tend to think that some people make up these crazy notions to get attention, and others buy into them because it's much easier to speculate about a world you suppose to be completely outside your control than it is to actually get off your ass and do something to address real (if more mundane) issues which could actually benefit from such attention.

First, let me say that I agree that your rendition of events is probably the way things went down. It makes sense to me.

But the fact remains that what you said is pretty much pure speculation (albeit with a dose of common sense) and is no more credible than the events supplied by the original poster.

Further, your last paragraph--which apparently is an attempt to discredit any other possible explanation of events--displays an uncanny acceptance of--and complacency with--the US government. This is government who has continually made promises to the American public which are broken. A government who makes deals and aides foreign governments when its convenient and serves US interest and dissolves those bonds when they are no longer useful. This government has branches (such as the CIA and DEA) that have been given a dangerous amount of power and have been known to abuse that power and abuse the public's trust.

Look, I'm not a paranoid person. But whether you believe it, the government has done many things that should make you question their actions past, present and future. And they are not actions that are out of the American public's control. We need to enforce accountability at even the highest levels of government. We need to create a government that doesn't abuse the trust or advantageously use people--not only of its own country, but worldwide.

You are right, there are many mundane situations that require the American publics attention. But there are many situations that rise out of the government's malicious or selfish actions. These situations need just as much attention if not more.

I agree that some of these conspiracy theories are pretty nuts, but some are credible and instances of government wrongdoing. By immediately dismissing any theory that questions government actions, you are throwing the baby out with the bath-water.

Matthew

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Gelfin
What's really sad here is how some French guy can exploit a tragedy in another country to get attention, and no doubt a healthy remuneration, for himself, and how some people will uncritically accept the most bizarre theories, apparently simply because they're more interesting.

Thank you Gefin.

I'm amazed this thread has lasted so long, especially since so much time has passed since the event, its not exactly current events.

 

[Gelfin]

Re: Re: Gelfin

Originally posted by Taft
Further, your last paragraph--which apparently is an attempt to discredit any other possible explanation of events--displays an uncanny acceptance of--and complacency with--the US government.

Not at all. In fact, you misread my final paragraph almost 180 degrees from what I intended. The point is, your government, and people on government payroll, do a HUGE number of totally outrageous things which are documented. Their near-criminal waste of your tax dollars is a part of public record. The breakdown in "the system" in these cases is that the public don't think about the political spin fed to them, and don't raise hell.

The thing about conspiracy theorists is that they concoct a hidden world where "normal people" have no influence whatsoever. This relieves them of the burden of actually doing a damn thing beyond whining about what they claim is being done to them. The executive summary of every conspiracy theory is, "well, of course I would go out and try to make a difference, but the deck is stacked against me, so all I can do is sit here and tell you stories about how I confuse remote plausibility with demonstrated fact."

Here's the way I see it: In practical terms, my life isn't so very bad right now. In fact, I'm probably better off than 95% of the rest of the world (for reasons other than using a Mac). People come to me with these goofy theories about how nothing is as it seems and there are these vague threats to life as I know it and what-have-you. Okay, whatever. Even assuming that these things are true, in order to actually DO anything to make "life as I know it" worse, these conspiracies have to come out of the closet, so to speak. Decisions must be made, policies implemented... tangible things must happen in order to bring these horrific schemes to fruition. That's the point to deal with them. Conspiracy theorists will come back with "by then it's too late," but that's crap. Only when you know for sure what's happening do you have any idea what constitutes appropriate response.

Playing at conspiracy theories is like going around looking for spider eggs that may or may not exist while ignoring the spiders currently biting you.

Originally posted by dukestreet
I'm amazed this thread has lasted so long, especially since so much time has passed since the event, its not exactly current events.

It's actually not too surprising to me. The notable thing is that it took as long as it did for this sort of thing to start surfacing, which is a sure indication of the kind of shock in which the world was held after 9/11. Usually it doesn't take nearly so long for people to start mouthing off. We're getting back to business as usual now, and you can expect to hear more of this sort of rubbish as time goes on and people feel more comfortable making it up and spewing it around.