Grandfathered ATT UNL or Verizon UNL?

[monkey28rb]

The new Verizon Unlimited plan sounds tempting so I am considering making the switch. For starters I have ATT with a grandfathered unlimited plan. Breaks down like this $80 for voice and data, $10 for text. After my 28% discount my bill comes to $67.60 before taxes. I do not have hotspot which is annoying at times, also at times ATT is congested, I will say it has been improving a lot lately.

I am considering Verizon because the bill with the Military discount and auto pay would be $71. Additionally Verizon seems to have more consistent coverage, faster data speeds, better rural coverage in the south east and 10GB of hotspot to name a few.. I would also like to add a tablet to my account with unlimited data. I live in Orlando and travel down to south fla and to Atlanta GA.

My concerns are Verizons network is going to take a hit soon with the lack of spectrum, while ATT will only get better because of their spectrum holdings, plus they implement stream saver on all their plans now, which will allow the network to run more efficiently. One more thing ATT won the first net contract, which means most likely they will be expanding rapidly.

So what do you think? Is it worth the switch?

Found this article today.. http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/...ctrum-position-as-key-differentiator-vs-peers

 

[Charadis]

I'm with you on this one. Or I was anyways. I have the grandfathered unlimited data with unlimited nationwide (upgraded from 450) and 1000 texts for $10.

My concern is if Verizon will pull the same crap they did before when they tried to get ppl off their grandfathered UDPs. They tried automatically switching them to to tiered if they upgraded on that line. Then they raised the price of the data plan.

At&t did try some crap, but was more reasonable, allowing 2-yr upgrades without altering the plan. Yeah, it's not the same "unlimited" that Verizon's was, as it's throttled, but they did raise the throttle limit up significantly.

So I'm just holding my ground now and watching as everything plays out. I am tempted on the tethering tho...

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

I was in your position and made the switch. I didn't have the discounts on AT&T that you seem to (my bill after taxes and before they started raising the UDP price was $84 and change. They raised it by $5 which I accepted and carried on as usual. I got notice of a second $5 price increase shortly before heading about the new Verizon UDP.

I have the same setup with Verizon that you mentioned ($71 after military and auto-pay discounts) so I'm saving about $20/mo and am pretty happy with Verizon's coverage in my area, although I'm surprised it's not better as I'm in the state capital and rarely see more than three dots.

 

[LaloG]

I'm in the same boat. My current unlimited plan is set to go up to $140 for 2 iPhone 6's. The new plan will drop it down to $125 if I change plans. The new Verizon plan will be $145 plus fees but they will give me 1 iPhone 7 and 1 iPhone 7+ if I switch and trade in my old phones. Will decide soon On what to do.

 

[synonys]

At&t did try some crap, but was more reasonable, allowing 2-yr upgrades without altering the plan. Yeah, it's not the same "unlimited" that Verizon's was, as it's throttled, but they did raise the throttle limit up significantly.

AT&Ts unlimited plans are not throttled. It seems people have issue grasping the difference between throttling and depriorization. Prior to 2015 many people on unlimited were throttled to preset speed of 512kbps if they went over 5GB. In 2015 bending to FCC pressure AT&T implemented depriorization for network management. This means after 22GB your speed is dictated by congestion on the tower you are connected to. You can be depriorized and get 100mbps downloads.

 

[Charadis]

AT&Ts unlimited plans are not throttled. It seems people have issue grasping the difference between throttling and depriorization. Prior to 2015 many people on unlimited were throttled to preset speed of 512kbps if they went over 5GB. In 2015 bending to FCC pressure AT&T implemented depriorization for network management. This means after 22GB your speed is dictated by congestion on the tower you are connected to. You can be depriorized and get 100mbps downloads.

Yes, limiting the speed is effectively throttling. They've just added additional criteria to meet in limiting...throttling...your potential connection speeds

 

[C DM]

Yes, limiting the speed is effectively throttling. They've just added additional criteria to meet in limiting...throttling...your potential connection speeds

Throttling has a particular definition in the mobile world, while deprioritization has a particular and different definition in the mobile world. Similar in some respects/concepts, but different in details and implementation and often enough effects.

 

[synonys]

If you think about it deprioritization is the opposite of throttling. While throttling concerns slowing you down, deprioritization concerns speeding others up.

 

[Charadis]

If you think about it deprioritization is the opposite of throttling. While throttling concerns slowing you down, deprioritization concerns speeding others up.

Throttling has a particular definition in the mobile world, while deprioritization has a particular and different definition in the mobile world. Similar in some respects/concepts, but different in details and implementation and often enough effects.

Sounds like selective throttling.

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/throttled-data-transfer

Throttled data transfer, also known as data transfer throttling or lean data transfer, is the deliberate regulation of the data transfer rate in a communications system. Data transfer throttling can be used in any scenario where it is necessary or desirable to limit the amount of data that can be sent or received per unit time.

 

[C DM]

Sounds like selective throttling.

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/throttled-data-transfer

But, once again, that isn't what happens with deprioritization.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Sounds like selective throttling.

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/throttled-data-transfer

If a user is in excess of 22GB for the month, and is accessing a heavily congested tower, said user may experience temporary de-prioritization such as a time when said tower is no longer congested. Conversely, if said user is accessing a tower that is not congested, said user will experience normal system operation.

De-prioritization is a practice that all carriers employ at certain times. Said practice is not the same as throttling, which would be an ongoing restriction of system services for a user. An example of throttling would be Verizon's hotspot usage after 10GB of LTE speed. Verizon has made it very clear, that after using 10GB of LTE speed, hotspot user(s) will be throttled to 3G speed for the duration of their monthly cycle.

 

[CoriG]

If a user is in excess of 22GB for the month, and is accessing a heavily congested tower, said user may experience temporary de-prioritization such as a time when said tower is no longer congested. Conversely, if said user is accessing a tower that is not congested, said user will experience normal system operation.

De-prioritization is a practice that all carriers employ at certain times. Said practice is not the same as throttling, which would be an ongoing restriction of system services for a user. An example of throttling would be Verizon's hotspot usage after 10GB of LTE speed. Verizon has made it very clear, that after using 10GB of LTE speed, hotspot user(s) will be throttled to 3G speed for the duration of their monthly cycle.

They will only be throttled down to 3G when they use their hot spot.

 

[Rayy42]

If a user is in excess of 22GB for the month, and is accessing a heavily congested tower, said user may experience temporary de-prioritization such as a time when said tower is no longer congested. Conversely, if said user is accessing a tower that is not congested, said user will experience normal system operation.

De-prioritization is a practice that all carriers employ at certain times. Said practice is not the same as throttling, which would be an ongoing restriction of system services for a user. An example of throttling would be Verizon's hotspot usage after 10GB of LTE speed. Verizon has made it very clear, that after using 10GB of LTE speed, hotspot user(s) will be throttled to 3G speed for the duration of their monthly cycle.

Honestly 3G is better than 1X so there's that.

 

[Apple_Robert]

They will only be throttled down to 3G when they use their hot spot.

Correct. And that is what I stated.

 

[Charadis]

If a user is in excess of 22GB for the month, and is accessing a heavily congested tower, said user may experience temporary de-prioritization such as a time when said tower is no longer congested. Conversely, if said user is accessing a tower that is not congested, said user will experience normal system operation.

De-prioritization is a practice that all carriers employ at certain times. Said practice is not the same as throttling, which would be an ongoing restriction of system services for a user. An example of throttling would be Verizon's hotspot usage after 10GB of LTE speed. Verizon has made it very clear, that after using 10GB

Throttling is not necessarily ongoing.

Data transfer throttling can be used in any scenario where it is necessary or desirable to limit the amount of data that can be sent or received per unit time.

 

[C DM]

Throttling is not necessarily ongoing.

The way it's typically known as far as wireless carriers go in terms of their actual details and applications is that it's an ongoing thing.

Are we really going to be splitting hairs on variations of definitions from different places to keep on trying to go back and forth basically just for "fun"? It won't change the basic established reality that deprioritization and throttling are not the same thing (even if they have some similarities).

 

[Apple_Robert]

Throttling is not necessarily ongoing.

I think you and several others here would readily argue with shadows if you could.

Verizon has stated time and time again, that they do not and will not throttle phone data. Only tether data past 10GB will be throttled.

Words have meanings. And in the case of legal contracts, very specific meaning (as outlined in the terms of service).

To clamor to the conspirator's notion, that Verizon is, and will actively engage in throttling phone data( under the guise of a different word for which you and several others have imported your own convenient and irregular meaning) is to disavow the inherent meaning of all words in proper context. To that end, none can or should be trusted, for all are robbers of the obvious and true. Black is white, blue is green, and truth is folly in the eyes of those who seek to paint it so.

 

[Charadis]

The way it's typically known as far as wireless carriers go in terms of their actual details and applications is that it's an ongoing thing.

Are we really going to be splitting hairs on variations of definitions from different places to keep on trying to go back and forth basically just for "fun"? It won't change the basic established reality that deprioritization and throttling are not the same thing (even if they have some similarities).

Going to go for the kill here

https://arstechnica.com/information...ng-mobile-hotspots-when-network-is-congested/

I think you and several others here would readily argue with shadows if you could.

Verizon has stated time and time again, that they do not and will not throttle phone data. Only tether data past 10GB will be throttled.

Words have meanings. And in the case of legal contracts, very specific meaning (as outlined in the terms of service).

To clamor to the conspirator's notion, that Verizon is, and will actively engage in throttling phone data( under the guise of a different word for which you and several others have imported your own convenient and irregular meaning) is to disavow the inherent meaning of all words in proper context. To that end, none can or should be trusted, for all are robbers of the obvious and true. Black is white, blue is green, and truth is folly in the eyes of those who seek to paint it so.

I think it can be said that deprioritization is a form of throttling, but not the reverse.


Okay, that's all I got.

*drops mic*

 

[C DM]

Going to go for the kill here

https://arstechnica.com/information...ng-mobile-hotspots-when-network-is-congested/




I think it can be said that deprioritization is a form of throttling, but not the reverse.


Okay, that's all I got.

*drops mic*

Right, an article that actually talks about some actual throttling when it comes to certain things or various circumstances. Doesn't really change that depriortiazation is something that's different. Just because deprioritization might result in slower speeds in some fashion, doesn't therefore make it the same as throttling, or that the terms can be used interchangeably or mean the same things.

 

[synonys]

Going to go for the kill here

https://arstechnica.com/information...ng-mobile-hotspots-when-network-is-congested/




I think it can be said that deprioritization is a form of throttling, but not the reverse.


Okay, that's all I got.

*drops mic*

It's nice to see you finally acknowledge that depriorization and throttling are different.

 

[macher]

Right, an article that actually talks about some actual throttling when it comes to certain things or various circumstances. Doesn't really change that depriortiazation is something that's different. Just because deprioritization might result in slower speeds in some fashion, doesn't therefore make it the same as throttling, or that the terms can be used interchangeably or mean the same things.

Throttling in the mobile world means your speeds will be lowered to a slower specific speed for the remaining of the billing cycle.

For instance when AT&T throttled you're speeds were 500k's for the remaining of the billing cycle. Didn't matter whether or not a tower was congested.

VZW actually throttles in their hotspot after 10GB then 3G speeds / 600k's.

 

[C DM]

Throttling in the mobile world means your speeds will be lowered to a slower specific speed for the remaining of the billing cycle.

For instance when AT&T throttled you're speeds were 500k's for the remaining of the billing cycle. Didn't matter whether or not a tower was congested.

VZW actually throttles in their hotspot after 10GB then 3G speeds / 600k's.

Correct, which is different from deprioritization.