Graphics question...

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by mitchellm, Jul 6, 2013.

  1. mitchellm macrumors newbie

    Nov 11, 2007
    i think i am going to go with a 15" cMBP refurb as i dont see the need for a retina screen, so my question is, is the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M a better card than the upcoming graphics in the haswell chips, and is there a good chance that everything will be retina in the next refresh?
  2. B... macrumors 68000


    Mar 7, 2013
  3. dusk007 macrumors 68040


    Dec 5, 2009
    Depends on what the next GPU will be.
    If it is just a Intel HD 5200 and nothing dedicated the 650M is quite a bit better. 650M is 20-40% faster in games and about equal to somewhat slower in general processing.
    If it is replaced by a 750M, it is a mixed bag. The 750M is likely to be somewhat faster but only due to clock speeds. You can expect to be able to over clock and 650M to a performance level that there isn't really a difference to a 750M. 750M is just a 650M with a different turbo mode. It is the same chip.
    If they replace it with a 760M which should be a possibility (not the highest one though) there might be quite a bit of additional performance but nothing game changing. It is more potential but it is still the same architecture, same process node, basically similar energy efficiency. A 760M is basically double the 650M in cores but comes with slower clock speeds.

    The chances for no cMBP refresh is fairly high. I think well above 50%. I wouldn't rule it out completely though. The chances of an HD 5200 only retina vs. one with a dedicated GPU is 50:50 I think. A 760M would still be a lot faster than a HD 5200 especially in games. If they go for a 750M, they might as well just get rid of the dGPU altogether IMO.
    Even a 760M will only be about 35-40% faster than a 650M@900Mhz.
  4. mitchellm thread starter macrumors newbie

    Nov 11, 2007
    thanks dusk, that was a very informative reply! hmm... think i might wait it out, refurbs of the cMBP should be around for awhile, and it would be nice if the new refresh had SSD's stock, i really dont want to replace the crappy hd's and have to upgrade the memory if i can snag a retina........... but wait......... if they get rid of the CMBP and make everything retina then nothing in the macbook pro line will be upgradable right? thats a big issue for me, because i would like to max it out with 16 gb of ram and a bigger ssd. hmmmm...

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