Great upcoming feature for smartwatches

[Mildredop]

I was reading about the new Android OS which includes a new security feature whereby your phone will only ask for your pin (or other security) if it's not connected to a 'trusted bluetooth'. In other words, your smartwatch.

So the moment your phone is more than 10m away, it'll lock. Finally, a reason to own a smartwatch!

I know this is an Android feature, but most Android features end-up on Apple phones a couple of years later, so it'll be great when this one appears.

 

[Julien]

Not sure why you would want the Watch to 'lock' and have to enter a PIN. However if you are interested in having a warning/reminder that you forgot you iPhone, I seem to remember it said at the event that the aWatch can do this. As you move out of BT range it would (or can) give you a haptic reminder.

Coincidentally yesterday I forgot my iPhone at work. I have Automatic in my car and it gave me a warning.

 

[Mildredop]

Not sure why you would want the Watch to 'lock' and have to enter a PIN. However if you are interested in having a warning/reminder that you forgot you iPhone, I seem to remember it said at the event that the aWatch can do this. As you move out of BT range it would (or can) give you a haptic reminder.

Coincidentally yesterday I forgot my iPhone at work. I have Automatic in my car and it gave me a warning.

It's not the watch that locks, it's the phone. So whilst the phone is near your watch, no security is active. But if someone steals your phone from your bag or you leave it in a pub, as it's no longer near your watch, it'll then activate the security.

Genuis!

 

[Julien]

It's not the watch that locks, it's the phone. So whilst the phone is near your watch, no security is active. But if someone steals your phone from your bag or you leave it in a pub, as it's no longer near your watch, it'll then activate the security.

Genuis!

But your iPhone IS locked and secure so long as they didn't steal you finger it can't be unlocked. The aWatch will let you know if it's stolen as it moves out of range. You can then use find my iPhone to see where it is or to wipe and brick. What is not as great in this scenario?

 

[Mildredop]

But your iPhone IS locked and secure so long as they didn't steal you finger it can't be unlocked. The aWatch will let you know if it's stolen as it moves out of range. You can then use find my iPhone to see where it is or to wipe and brick. What is not as great in this scenario?

The numerous times the phone doesn't recognise your fingerprint through the day.

 

[Julien]

The numerous times the phone doesn't recognise your fingerprint through the day.

I don't understand. How does that allow the person who stole your iPhone to unlock it or have anything to do with this thread?

About the only time I ever have a problem is when my fingers are wet.

 

[Mildredop]

I don't understand. How does that allow the person who stole your iPhone to unlock it or have anything to do with this thread?

About the only time I ever have a problem is when my fingers are wet.

This is like trying to explain something to my 91-year-old grandmother.

Don't worry about it.

 

[ZombiePete]

I know this is an Android feature, but most Android features end-up on Apple phones a couple of years later, so it'll be great when this one appears.

Before Touch ID I would have loved a feature like this, but nowadays I barely even remember that my phone is secured anyway so this seems like a feature more useful for Android users (who don't have the mature biometrics) than us iPhone users.

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This is like trying to explain something to my 91-year-old grandmother.

Don't worry about it.

I think Julien is trying to say essentially what I did: that with Touch ID the utility of such a design is lessened because the inconvenience of your phone being locked has already largely been mitigated.

 

[Julien]

...I think Julien is trying to say essentially what I did: that with Touch ID the utility of such a design is lessened because the inconvenience of your phone being locked has already largely been mitigated.

And even if there was no Touch ID who would have all their valuable data on a phone without a passcode set?

 

[ZombiePete]

And even if there was no Touch ID who would have all their valuable data on a phone without a passcode set?

The idea is that it would have a passcode, it just wouldn't lock while it was within a certain proximity to your watch via Bluetooth. So while your phone is in your pocket and you're wearing your watch, it doesn't lock because it's on your person. Once it's out of range of your watch, however, the passcode is enabled again.

It works well for Android phones and is a popular feature.

 

[matrix07]

The numerous times the phone doesn't recognise your fingerprint through the day.

What are you talking about? my phone recognize my fingers every single time. Get your fact straight. It's iPhone we're talking about, not Samsung's.

And I may be your grandma 'cause I don't understand the point of this thread either. Apple has all the securities in iOS in place. You can even have the phone send the last location before battery dies, or have it wipe all the data if you lost your phone. This is just a couple of examples. The security in iOS always trump Android and Apple is very serious about it. So what made you believe Apple will not have all the necessary security measures for the watch? Where did you get such information from, since almost nobody have ever used the watch outside of Apple?

You should learn about iOS security measures before making speculative thread like this.

 

[Mildredop]

What are you talking about? my phone recognize my fingers every single time. Get your fact straight. It's iPhone we're talking about, not Samsung's.

Everyone I know with an iPhone says to me the fingerprint sensor doesn't work very well. My partner no longer uses hers and just uses the PIN lock.

I'm not talking about Samsung either, I'm talking about Android.

So what made you believe Apple will not have all the necessary security measures for the watch?

Please show me where in my original post I mentioned anything about the security of the Apple Watch. If you read it again you'll notice that I didn't.

 

[matrix07]

Everyone I know with an iPhone says to me the fingerprint sensor doesn't work very well. My partner no longer uses hers and just uses the PIN lock.

That's really strange 'cause mine is flawless. It's hard to put it to bad luck when it happened to "everyone" so I have to question how out of touch with reality a claim like this is.
If you want to see video of me unlocking my phone with all 3 of my fingerprints, maybe 10-20 times, I'll be happy to abide so we can settle this with real evidence, rather than here says. You'll see not only how easy but how quick it is.

 

[Mildredop]

That's really strange 'cause mine is flawless. It's hard to put it to bad luck when it happened to "everyone" so I have to question how out of touch with reality a claim like this is.
If you want to see video of me unlocking my phone with all 3 of my fingerprints, maybe 10-20 times, I'll be happy to abide so we can settle this with real evidence, rather than here says. You'll see not only how easy but how quick it is.

Yes please, as I've heard it's quite intermittent.

 

[matrix07]

Yes please, as I've heard it's quite intermittent.

I'm too lazy so I just used all 3 fingers once but as you can see, how can everyone not get it to work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WTV761O_L0&feature=youtu.be

 

[Mildredop]

I'm too lazy so I just used all 3 fingers once but as you can see, how can everyone not get it to work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WTV761O_L0&feature=youtu.be

Except that's not you. I could search YouTube and find a video where touch ID doesn't work and claim it's me.

 

[matrix07]

Except that's not you. I could search YouTube and find a video where touch ID doesn't work and claim it's me.

What are you talking about? You didn't make sense now. You could look at the time of my post and the time that video posted on YouTube and KNOW. But since you pretend to be thick, I just changed the title of the video just for you. Go ahead and looks again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WTV761O_L0&feature=youtu.be

 

[diamond.g]

It is more common for me to press the power button to wake and sleep the display than it is for me to press the home button. So, while TouchID is a great alternative to a passcode, it really forces me to alter how I interact with my device. It would be nice to have a means to have my device unlocked automatically, basically the Apple Watch and my car's bluetooth.

 

[matrix07]

It is more common for me to press the power button to wake and sleep the display than it is for me to press the home button. So, while TouchID is a great alternative to a passcode, it really forces me to alter how I interact with my device. It would be nice to have a means to have my device unlocked automatically, basically the Apple Watch and my car's bluetooth.

Nothing wrong with the method you prefer. I just nitpick a bit on the fact that you can't just get to the Home Screen by pressing Sleep/Wake button alone. You have to slide the screen also. And if you want your phone secure you also need to enter the PIN. Touch ID consolidate all of these steps in one place. Normally security and convenience are an enemy of each others. Rarely they're working together so well like this so I'd suggest if you have iPhone 6, just try Touch ID. There's a good chance you'll love it.

Not only that, you can use your Touch ID to purchase apps (no more entering long password) and log into apps, like Day One or One Password for example.

 

[jason.siegel]

I don't think this is particularly secure. Bluetooth has a 30+ foot range; so it would be very easy for someone to pick up your device while it is in range but not within immediate control.

 

[Rainshadow]

Not to pile on this meaningful discussion, but I think I hear what he is trying to say.

1. The apple watch and phone are very secure.

2. Touch ID is almost perfect enough but can have failures (regardless of how often mine works, there are times mine doesn’t -over 99% success rate).

3. It would be cool if... you had an Apple Watch, and an iPhone... that wearing your watch and having it connected to your phone via Bluetooth would allow you to have your phone be unlocked and not require a touchID press OR passcode WHILE IT IS CONNECTED TO YOUR WATCH.

4. As soon as it disconnects, it would require a Touch ID press or passcode like normal.

In short, the watch would preclude you from needing to authenticate your identity when using your phone while connected to your watch. It would save you 1-2 seconds max. - but Apple is known for these types of user details.





Gooding theory, but what if someone stole your phone and disabled security settings before getting far enough away for your phone to disconnect? I can be in another room and still be connected to my phone from my watch.

Also, Apple kind of leap frogged this idea by making faceID - no need for a passcode or touchID in theory. (Even though it needs to work and you still need to swipe up).

 

[44267547]

Not to pile on this meaningful discussion, but I think I hear what he is trying to say.

1. The apple watch and phone are very secure.

2. Touch ID is almost perfect enough but can have failures (regardless of how often mine works, there are times mine doesn’t -over 99% success rate).

3. It would be cool if... you had an Apple Watch, and an iPhone... that wearing your watch and having it connected to your phone via Bluetooth would allow you to have your phone be unlocked and not require a touchID press OR passcode WHILE IT IS CONNECTED TO YOUR WATCH.

4. As soon as it disconnects, it would require a Touch ID press or passcode like normal.

In short, the watch would preclude you from needing to authenticate your identity when using your phone while connected to your watch. It would save you 1-2 seconds max. - but Apple is known for these types of user details.





Gooding theory, but what if someone stole your phone and disabled security settings before getting far enough away for your phone to disconnect? I can be in another room and still be connected to my phone from my watch.

Also, Apple kind of leap frogged this idea by making faceID - no need for a passcode or touchID in theory. (Even though it needs to work and you still need to swipe up).

You resurrected a three-year-old thread. Also, the main points of what you’re talking about is related to the iPhone, not as much to the Apple Watch.

 

[BlankStar]

Wow, this feels like time travel. Posting in a thread from november 2014... The iPhone 6 was brand new when this thread was started... Apple was secretly working on the HomePod and iPhone X. Ah, good ol' days ;-)

ontopic: my AirPods work at more than 30+ meters (100ish feet) so this would suck monkeyballs since a thief can run out of a pub around the corner and mess with my phone while the connection with my Apple Watch would still be active... Hope iOS never uses this android-"feature".