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Grrrrrr... Damn PC loving IT "specialist" - Could use some suggestions.

Thanks all of you!

I've been back at them with my rebuttals armed with the additional info you've given me. And I get fairly blank responses. Meaning that they understand it is fairly easy to work around any problems they may come up with, but they'd rather not have to deal with the hasstle. Man it's pissing off - I don't care what the machine looks like when I'm at work...

I just want to work with OSX dammit - XP is just so frustrating. It often takes me double to time to accomplish some tasks when I can think of a simple 1 click route when I'm on the Mac. Damn, I miss Expose lol...

I'm going to keep trying, but I feel I'm facing an uphill battle of lazyness.
 
MagicWok said:
Thanks all of you!

I've been back at them with my rebuttals armed with the additional info you've given me. And I get fairly blank responses. Meaning that they understand it is fairly easy to work around any problems they may come up with, but they'd rather not have to deal with the hasstle. Man it's pissing off - I don't care what the machine looks like when I'm at work...

I just want to work with OSX dammit - XP is just so frustrating. It often takes me double to time to accomplish some tasks when I can think of a simple 1 click route when I'm on the Mac. Damn, I miss Expose lol...

I'm going to keep trying, but I feel I'm facing an uphill battle of lazyness.
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Make them think that dealing with YOU on Windows machine is gonna be a bigger headache than dealing with your Mac. Let them know that if they give you a Windows box you really have no idea how to use it and that you're gonna be calling them constantly with questions for how to use it since they're the ones who forced the device on you. And tell them if anything goes wrong with it then you're gonna be ringing their office non-stop until every problem that pops up gets resolved.

That might change their minds in a hurry.
 
MagicWok said:
Thanks all of you!

I've been back at them with my rebuttals armed with the additional info you've given me. And I get fairly blank responses. Meaning that they understand it is fairly easy to work around any problems they may come up with, but they'd rather not have to deal with the hasstle. Man it's pissing off - I don't care what the machine looks like when I'm at work...

I just want to work with OSX dammit - XP is just so frustrating. It often takes me double to time to accomplish some tasks when I can think of a simple 1 click route when I'm on the Mac. Damn, I miss Expose lol...

I'm going to keep trying, but I feel I'm facing an uphill battle of lazyness.
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so, the it-department should make radical changes to the it-infrastructure so you could use expose? i'm sorry but you need something better than that. and since you would be working on apps mostly, does it really matter what os it's running on? "but i want a mac!" is not a good enough reason to give the it-guys extra hassle. it takes quite a bit of time and energy to make sure everything is working. no, this is most likely not a question of "lazyness"
 
Shadow said:
No. Apple will always have the iMac now, just like they'll never axe the iPod. They'll just keep upgrading it.
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He wasn't saying the iMac line will be discontinued as a product Apple makes, he meant that the particular iMac computers sitting in his company's offices will be due to be replaced with newer computers.
 
I can understand your IT guy not liking the idea.

It'll be on his head to support them when he probably knows nothing about them, ensuring they're patched etc., and why should he? Mapping Windows shares from a Mac leaves little extra files visible to Windows users in any folder you browse to. There will be a whole bunch of other unfavourable things too.

The e-mail thing isn't a show stopper though. Entourage or OWA (Outlook Web Access) as already discussed should work.
 
Evangelion said:
so, the it-department should make radical changes to the it-infrastructure so you could use expose? i'm sorry but you need something better than that. and since you would be working on apps mostly, does it really matter what os it's running on? "but i want a mac!" is not a good enough reason to give the it-guys extra hassle. it takes quite a bit of time and energy to make sure everything is working. no, this is most likely not a question of "lazyness"
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You really don't have a sense of humor do you. I can't believe you entertained the thought I was being remotely serious? :rolleyes:
 
Frankly, I'd just compromise and get it over with. Get a Mac Pro, put bootcamp or Parallels on it and let them install their standard PC stuff. This way IT is happy and your happy (you both win). You do your Photoshop, InDesign and Rendering work in MacOS X and your "office" work in Windows.
 
motulist said:
Make them think that dealing with YOU on Windows machine is gonna be a bigger headache than dealing with your Mac. Let them know that if they give you a Windows box you really have no idea how to use it and that you're gonna be calling them constantly with questions for how to use it since they're the ones who forced the device on you. And tell them if anything goes wrong with it then you're gonna be ringing their office non-stop until every problem that pops up gets resolved.

That might change their minds in a hurry.
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Nah...don't think so. That's what helpdesk people get paid to do.
 
MagicWok said:
What I don't have much experience on however, is syncing up these Mac Pros (in OSX) to a windoze network. We have terrabytes of data stored on a network spread over 8 or so main network drives. I presume it is no problem, but I'd like to be sure from any of your experiences that it's no hastle to connect up the network we have set up.
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Got Active Directory? I think we've done a pretty good job covering a lot of issues here:

Mac OS X (Tiger) and Active Directory


MagicWok said:
Secondly, is there someway to integrate through OSX (without using parralels/bootcamp) with Microsoft Outlook, emails & calendar etc. We will be installing bootcamp, but I'd like to stay in OSX as much as I can. Does Mail in OSX integrate well with Microsoft Outlook?
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Entourage. Works just fine.
 
Evangelion said:
so, the it-department should make radical changes to the it-infrastructure so you could use expose? i'm sorry but you need something better than that. and since you would be working on apps mostly, does it really matter what os it's running on? "but i want a mac!" is not a good enough reason to give the it-guys extra hassle. it takes quite a bit of time and energy to make sure everything is working. no, this is most likely not a question of "lazyness"
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This whole Mac support issue is amazing to me. I've been an IT Director/CIO for over 20 years and have worked in primarily UNIX/Windows environments but have permitted Macs ever since 10.3 gave us reasonably good Windows domain access on the Macs.

It does not take much effort to support a Mac user. Once the Mac has been added to the domain and Entourage configured, we leave the general hardware and application support to the end-user. They are required to test and maintain OS and application updates (no automatic updates allowed). We have always charged their departments for any additional consulting support required by specialized graphics server components (i.e. Quark or Maya license server setup) but these are few and far between.

While the expose comment was tongue in cheek, it is true working in OS X is more efficient for some users. I see no reason to burden the user with an operating environment that hampers his/her productivity.

Yes, consistency is important for support and service but it take the 2-3 days necessary to get the IT Help Desk up to speed with basic support issues and leave the rest to the end-user. Mac Users rarely contact the help desk (except when accessing the Windows only apps like time entry on a dedicated Windows station in their department). Generally, happy, content employees are more productive, loyal and dedicated. If providing a Mac will truly help them do a better job I see no reason to restrict access.

I personally used Unix, DOS and Windows systems exclusively until 2003 and saw a few Macs were coming so I bought one for myself. I still use both OS X and Windows computers at work and at home.

Admittedly I am a more hands-on Director (I believe its important to get at least a basic understanding of what we use - and not just the business and financial aspects of the job) but I think a successful argument can be made for the inclusion of Mac computers within the corporate IT infrastructure.

I wish the OP much success in his endeavor.

Cheers,
 
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