Other Gruber’s reputation is permanently BTFO: why we can’t have fast chargers for in iPhone boxes

[thadoggfather]

The guy is deeply concerned about the physical size of the retail box now not just the physical size of the charger (hey, um, dude the 18w isn’t 29w colossal or anything). Good lord!

“People who care” because fast charging a massive battery is now an estoric niche desire. Guarantee you his travel bags and home are littered with fast chargers lol.

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[AustinIllini]

It's not a great take but we all have unpopular opinions.

It could be worse: He could be like Rene Ritchie who has made a living making excuses for Apple's shortcomings.

Note: I'm an Apple guy, but I'm aware of their mistakes.

 

[I7guy]

Why does one care so much about a "bloggers" opinion. Not likely going to change anything. If Apple really listened to their customers a more powerful charger would have been included since the iphone 6/6s.

 

[thadoggfather]

Why does one care so much about a "bloggers" opinion. Not likely going to change anything. If Apple really listened to their customers a more powerful charger would have been included since the iphone 6/6s.

I guess cause a lot of consumers value his input but yet he misleads them and is solely self interested

I guess the same could be said of many but it seems so dang obvious to me.

 

[I7guy]

I guess cause a lot of consumers value his input but yet he misleads them and is solely self interested

I guess the same could be said of many but it seems so dang obvious to me.

How does he mislead anybody. His opinion is his opinion and he doesn't get paid by Apple, but maybe seems like he does. But nonetheless, some of this is akin to tilting at windmills as Apple has had ample opportunity to listen to some of the voices on the internet and do the right thing by including an updated charger for phones that can handle the wattage.
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It's not a great take but we all have unpopular opinions.

It could be worse: He could be like Rene Ritchie who has made a living making excuses for Apple's shortcomings.

Note: I'm an Apple guy, but I'm aware of their mistakes.

If I could make a healthy living by making excuses for any company's shortcomings, sign me up. I'd quit my day job.

 

[thadoggfather]

How does he mislead anybody. His opinion is his opinion and he doesn't get paid by Apple, but maybe seems like he does. But nonetheless, some of this is akin to tilting at windmills as Apple has had ample opportunity to listen to some of the voices on the internet and do the right thing by including an updated charger for phones that can handle the wattage.

Misleads in that tries to seem balanced on apple topics when he isn’t at all.

 

[I7guy]

Misleads in that tries to seem balanced on apple topics when he isn’t at all.

Yeah, the quoted exchange is pretty funny. Talk about turning a positive (better charger) into a negative (bigger box).

 

[44267547]

Firstly, I don’t care anything quick Gruber has to say, I think his reputation has struggled over the years and his opinion is usually exaggerated.

That said, the whole ‘fast charging argument’ that Apple does not include it, I don’t care. I’m perfectly fine with the 5 W charger, or I can use a wireless charger if I need to. If I want a fast wireless charger, I can purchase one separately. I think the majority of consumers don’t care about a fast charger either, They don’t even know what what their charger watt even is to begin with, I personally don’t think Apple needs to put a fast charger in the box for millions of iPhones that others simply won’t care about.

Should Apple include a fast charger in the box like other manufacturers are? I think it would be a nice option, but Apple doesn’t do things the way other manufacturers do, and I do think however, the 5W charger will eventually come to an end.

 

[davedvdy]

It's not a great take but we all have unpopular opinions.

It could be worse: He could be like Rene Ritchie who has made a living making excuses for Apple's shortcomings.

Note: I'm an Apple guy, but I'm aware of their mistakes.

Rene Ritchie is an Apple apologist at times, but not about the lack of fast charger included. In fact, he brings that up in his YouTube XS/XS Max review.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Firstly, I don’t care anything quick Gruber has to say, I think his reputation has struggled over the years and his opinion is usually exaggerated.

That said, the whole ‘fast charging argument’ that Apple does not include it, I don’t care. I’m perfectly fine with the 5 W charger, or I can use a wireless charger if I need to. If I want a fast wireless charger, I can purchase one separately. I think the majority of consumers don’t care about a fast charger either, They don’t even know what what their charger watt even is to begin with, I personally don’t think Apple needs to put a fast charger in the box for millions of iPhones that others simply won’t care about.

Should Apple include a fast charger in the box like other manufacturers are? I think it would be a nice option, but Apple doesn’t do things the way other manufacturers do, and I do think however, the 5W charger will eventually come to an end.

I personally don’t care about the fast charger because I’ve already purchased the 61 W charger and I use it with my iPhone and iPad Pro so in that sense I can see the value in my purchase.

I think as you said it would be a nice option though. Even the 12 W iPad charger would make things a lot faster.

 

[AustinIllini]

Rene Ritchie is an Apple apologist at times, but not about the lack of fast charger included. In fact, he brings that up in his YouTube XS/XS Max review.

He lost me at "retina for your ears" to describe HomePod.

 

[Jimmy James]

I don’t want fast charging. I have the option on my smart chargers for both cylindrical lithium cells and nimh and I prefer slower charge rates for battery longevity.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

The original (and I think iPhone 3G as well) chargers were the same size as the 12W iPad chargers. They shipped in a box and humanity survived it.

In markets with non-US plugs (think UK, Australia, some places in Europe, South America) the iPhone STILL ships (or did until very recently) with a brick the same size as before. And it's excellent - you can plug in an $1 extension cord and have a 3m charger almost for free.

People who think Apple would have any credit for saving $0.05 per box in a $1000 device should be put in jail.

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The bottom line is that, when people are against an idea and their motivation is questionable, they will find 300 other reasons why it shouldn't be done that seem legitimate, but they won't disclose the real reason.

Here, the real reason seems to be that this dude is a raging Apple fanboy.

 

[Otflyer]

I don’t want fast charging. I have the option on my smart chargers for both cylindrical lithium cells and nimh and I prefer slower charge rates for battery longevity.

Exactly!

 

[se95dah]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think phone manufacturers should be bundling a charging plug of any kind (fast or otherwise) with handsets. I might change my phone every 2-3 years but I can still use my first iPhone charger from 8 years ago. The others I’ve received in box since then are just e-waste.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

I have several old 5w chargers as well as 10-12w iPad chargers from past devices in a drawer already. If they decided to include the 18w charger it would just go in the same drawer. E-waste is all it is..

 

[C DM]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think phone manufacturers should be bundling a charging plug of any kind (fast or otherwise) with handsets. I might change my phone every 2-3 years but I can still use my first iPhone charger from 8 years ago. The others I’ve received in box since then are just e-waste.

And people who haven't had an iPhone or even a smartphone before? Or get a device when they aren't at home at the time? Pretty sure the idea, like with most other products, is that the product comes with everything it needs to function properly, a charger being one of those fairly integral things for something like a mobile device.

 

[thadoggfather]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think phone manufacturers should be bundling a charging plug of any kind (fast or otherwise) with handsets. I might change my phone every 2-3 years but I can still use my first iPhone charger from 8 years ago. The others I’ve received in box since then are just e-waste.

I maintain this is because its a slow charger, for most people. I dont touch the 5w ones really either.

Every ipad I've had, I try to hold onto the charger when reselling the device because I put it to use. If every new iPhone included a fast charger, and I could easily sell (or trade in) my iPhone without it, I would

I went CRAZY buying the 29w when they were on clearance at Walmart and the 30w came out, at $9 or $11 a pop or whatever it was.

I *still* dont think I'm at capacity with having enough chargers,

 

[retta283]

I've given away most of my chargers, I'm down to 4 now. I've probably had about 20 overall.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think phone manufacturers should be bundling a charging plug of any kind (fast or otherwise) with handsets. I might change my phone every 2-3 years but I can still use my first iPhone charger from 8 years ago. The others I’ve received in box since then are just e-waste.

Yes, your opinion is not the most popular. The handset you're buying should be complete from the get go, and not assume you have an old charger lying around. Especially for $1000.

Over the years, the chargers I've bought allow me to have one at home, one at work, and I have a cable in my car for CarPlay. Nothing wrong with that, and I've paid for all of them when I bought the phone.

 

[puma1552]

I don't want a fast charger. It degrades the battery, and I charge overnight so I want slow charging.

If Apple wants to really be green, they would stop including cables, charger bricks, and earbuds in the package. There are over a billion iPhones in the world, most everyone has multiple chargers laying around already. Those who want one can purchase one, including those who want a fast charger.

 

[JPack]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think phone manufacturers should be bundling a charging plug of any kind (fast or otherwise) with handsets. I might change my phone every 2-3 years but I can still use my first iPhone charger from 8 years ago. The others I’ve received in box since then are just e-waste.

So switchers coming from Android are SOL?

 

[puma1552]

And people who haven't had an iPhone or even a smartphone before? Or get a device when they aren't at home at the time? Pretty sure the idea, like with most other products, is that the product comes with everything it needs to function properly, a charger being one of those fairly integral things for something like a mobile device.

But we are talking about a product that there are billions of already in existence. This isn't some toaster oven or whatever that has a production run of 50k units. There are literally billions of these in existence, and the environment would be much better off if those who are buying their first phone would just buy a little charging brick.

You don't need to create 500 million charging bricks a year just because 5 million people bought their first iPhone that year (numbers are made up but you get the point).

 

[thadoggfather]

But we are talking about a product that there are billions of already in existence. This isn't some toaster oven or whatever that has a production run of 50k units. There are literally billions of these in existence, and the environment would be much better off if those who are buying their first phone would just buy a little charging brick.

You don't need to create 500 million charging bricks a year just because 5 million people bought their first iPhone that year (numbers are made up but you get the point).

Lets not blame it on environmental concerns, of all things, for why they dont. Come on are you kidding?

If apple really cared, they wouldnt have parts so solidified on the macbook pro to only have like 3 service parts: the board, the top lid, and bottom case. They also wouldnt ship a retail package, it would be just the phone in an egg rate recyclable container.

Especially with 'flexgate' where its merely a display cable that gets torn, but yet, it requires a whole new toplid.

They wouldnt be aggressively campaigning for people to upgrade their perfectly working phones, especially when Tim Cook said in the past he's ok with people holding onto their devices for several years.

They would offer a small price for trading in unused accessories for people that say they never leave the retail packaging, so it can actually be put to use by people that need or want them...

There are many reasons as evidence the environment isnt a consideration for this compromise.

 

[noobinator]

The 18w charger isn't that big. Tell me why they couldn't redesign the current box (in the same size) to hold a larger charger? There's plenty of space around the current charger.