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According to the article, this is exactly how it went down.

I think most people here would disagree, and anyone in big business wood laugh at what you are implying.;)

So what you believe is, Apple's intentions were to give $500 million to a company and purposely do everything they could to make them fail??? That's absurd!!!:eek:
 
No comment about the Apple Hater Army permanently stationed here?

Apple hate army? Oh you mean those mean ol' infidels who don't mindlessly defend the great Apple god without question? No need to comment about them since they'll just be drowned out by the iKool-Aid vitriol anyways.
 
What the CEO and COO did AFTER is irrelevant to how the deal was made and what happened as a result. I don't excuse their behavior. But unless you can prove that before they signed the contract, they had this whole plan schemed, you're just putting on a shiny tin foil hat.



Why would he be kidding. Can you not read the article and understand it?

Ya, I read it, and I don't for a minute believe these crooks! Most people won't!
The SEC has questions as well?

Apple wanted to give $500 million to make themselves look like bullies?:rolleyes:
 
So, GT entered into the deal, even when it wasn't at all favorable to them AND after Apple said "don't try to negotiate". And they took Apple's word and didn't even try?
Man, I need to do business with the guys that headed up this company. I can just walk in and say "Here's the deal. Take it or leave it. don't even try and negotiate." And apparently, they'll just take it.
Win/win for me.

Apple is known for setting terms and not negotiating. They have enough clout they can do this and get away with it. Folks are free to sign or not. It's the way they have done business for years and its a not so secret secret. Heck Tim Cook was probably the one that created that part of the business when he was in charge of supply lines as COO
 
What pathetic whining. I hate GTAT more and more every day. Apple didn't force you to do a damn thing. You didn't have to agree to anything. You signed the contract and then you failed to deliver. This is really making me sick.
Just go and lie down for a while, take a chill pill, I'm sure Apple will be okay, this is really tough on them though.
 
I feel like this just makes GTAT look worse. They ran into a bad contract hoping that things would work out. When it didn't they tried to get Apple to help them through it. Apple wouldn't, they went bankrupt, and now they're whining that Apple was 'mean' in the negotiations. All I have to say is wah, welcome to the business world GTAT. Learn how to compete and maybe you wouldn't have filed for bankruptcy.
 
So, the whole argument at this point is that Apple did everything in their power to make sure that GT failed? Because that would benefit Apple how?
GT got greedy. Instead of actually looking at the deal for what it was, they looked at the $$$ and decided the risk was worth it, without even thinking about some of the consequences.
Look, if you tell any large company the size of Apple, that you can do something. You'd better be damned well sure that you can do it, no matter how much money they throw at you. If Apple did tell them to "put on their big boy pants", GT should have done so and said "no deal".
 
Ya, I read it, and I don't for a minute believe these crooks! Most people won't!
The SEC has questions as well?

Apple wanted to give $500 million to make themselves look like bullies?:rolleyes:

What are you even talking about anymore? Do you even understand what we're talking about, or are you just blindly defending the company who makes your smartphone?
 
And I think anyone in grammar school would laugh at your spelling.



I don't recall ever saying that. Something tells me you need to work on your reading comprehension, as well as spelling.

Thank you, *******s always like you always want to get personal when someone disagrees!:cool:

I'll go back to school now professor!;)

Auto correct sometimes does the misspellings for me, but I'll try to pay more attention for you!
 
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I am a project manager and is easy for em to read between lines because "been there, done that" and " I know how it starts and I know how it ends".

"There is a difference between to be involved and to be committed" and "do not trust in smiles, remember Lucifer was an angel and he knows how to smile too".

But my favorite from the movie Devils Advocated... "Vanity, my favorite sin".

Then, Donald Trump say it: do not be naive in business!

The people from GT Advanced trusted too much and had too many red lights telling them. It was a bet and they lost.
I agree with this. If something doesn't feel right with a deal, just leave it. I think those terms were too much for such a small company. Sure, it's Apple. But they could have used another company to use their furnaces.
 
They weren't free to walk away though, that's the point.

If they walked away from Apple, they had no other customers to sell their product to because they spent all of their available time with Apple trying to secure the deal.

True. but there is zero proof that Apple required this rather it being as it seems, their decision to focus on the deal with Apple. They screwed themselves by not having a backup plan. Something Apple is always careful to have when they include terms in all contracts that they can go to other providers and aren't obligiated to buy materials that dont meet certain standards.
 
Ya, I read it, and I don't for a minute believe these crooks! Most people won't!
The SEC has questions as well?

Apple wanted to give $500 million to make themselves look like bullies?:rolleyes:

You've missed the point because you're basing your opinion on them at what they did at the endgame.

Are you suggesting they entered into the agreement with a plan to make millions by destroying their company?

Isn't in possible that everything they said happened as is - and as a result, they made some very poor decisions?
 
True. but there is zero proof that Apple required this rather it being as it seems, their decision to focus on the deal with Apple. They screwed themselves by not having a backup plan. Something Apple is always careful to have when they include terms in all contracts that they can go to other providers and aren't obligiated to buy materials that dont meet certain standards.

People need to keep in mind GT is not a big company at all. Most likely they did not have the resources to secure a backup plan.
 
What are you even talking about anymore? Do you even understand what we're talking about, or are you just blindly defending the company who makes your smartphone?

He's right. GT would have you accept that Apple went out of their way to make sure the deal would never be completed? Where is the upside for Apple in that? The only outcome from this would be to make sure that other companies assume that Apple is using sapphire screens and try and switch to match them, and spend a lot of money to do so. But even then, how does that benefit Apple? They still spent $500 million to make the deal.
 
Whether Apple was playing hardball or not is inconsequential. GT could have said no at any point before they signed the agreement. I refuse to feel bad for poor GT because their executives didn't have the sense to walk away when it was becoming obvious to them it wasn't a deal that was in the best interest of their company. Instead the executives seemed to have just saw dollar signs and lacked the self control to do their job and make decisions based on the facts in front of them. GT got in over their heads, plain and simple.

uhm are you blind? this article states that GT agreed to one thing, Apple started changing terms and screwing around. Then GTs options were either to keep going and hope things work or exit which would have cost them tons of money.

i like apple but god damn are you a fan boy.
 
Apple hate army? Oh you mean those mean ol' infidels who don't mindlessly defend the great Apple god without question? No need to comment about them since they'll just be drowned out by the iKool-Aid vitriol anyways.

Uh, okay.... *backs away slowly*
 
Well well apple being bullies.

This is 1984

They are Microsoft

They are the evil company.

I'm sure the execs knew this would happen. They took the deal knowing they could individually cash out before *hit hit the fan. Screwed their employees over royally to make a quick profit. I'm glad the SEC is looking into them now.

Squiller or the CEO shouldn't have signed. If Apple won't negotiate, walk away.

Apple weren't evil. It's a bad decision by GTAT end of. They had the opportunity to not sign the contract. No one held a gun to their head.
 
True. but there is zero proof that Apple required this rather it being as it seems, their decision to focus on the deal with Apple. They screwed themselves by not having a backup plan. Something Apple is always careful to have when they include terms in all contracts that they can go to other providers and aren't obligiated to buy materials that dont meet certain standards.

They aren't Apple. And quite frankly - I don't think many businesses are in a position to pull a power play with Apple. If Apple suspected they were working on negotiations with another vendor, I'm fairly confident that Apple would have just walked.
 
Yes but in this situation the figure of speech is implying that GT was forced to sign. I know Apple wasn't doing anything violent but they weren't forcing GT to do anything.

For the record, based on the available news I believe the blame rests on GTAT for failing to meet quality benchmarks due to their faulty Sapphire furnaces. They are a typical American business that produces low-quality goods due to a tunnel-vision focus on short-term profits. GTAT deserves to go bankrupt - though I feel bad for all the hourly employees who are now shafted as a result of incompetent management. Notably, incompetent management who are rewarded with millions of dollars in pay and bonuses, whether they succeed or fail.

However, it's also true that Apple bullied GTAT rather badly, as they do all of their suppliers. My guess is that what works in Asia doesn't go over so well in the USA, where white business executives are not used to being treated like sub-human slaves. Just a hunch ;)
 
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