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This guide is PERFECT for Rogers iPhone users. Although we state Rogers several times throughout this thread, I'm pretty sure it will work with just about any Wireless Carrier you can think of.

I personally have tried this out on a whim to see how accurate MrPerfect was on his guide and actually it worked out in me getting a ($15) off my voice and free Caller ID.

The large quote below is from RedFlagDeals via MrPerfect.
MrPerfect said:
A member from RFD sent me a pm, and I rather address the question here as it would be helpful for the whole community.

Im not great at negotiating, I think I am "decent", I scored a great deal because of many things combined such as

-I have been a customer for 2 years, I got a credit or two, per each call, I didnt get to the plan I have now all of a sudden due to a really generous rep
-I have 4 services with them (consolidated customer relations reps. are more willng to negotiate with you, than regular wireless reps I find), and I always mention that to them
-I researched competition


MYTHS
I find that these below statments are myths and absured
-some reps are really mean and not helpful
-I can't do it its too hard to bargain with them

Yes, some reps are quite difficult but it is not 'impossible' to bargain with them. Remember they have a quota to maintain. If you have ever worked in sales you would know that you have sell a number of products or you get coached, more coaching, until you get fired. These difficult reps, are the ones that can pick out the "b.s" we are giving them. Its like playing hard, if the other party whos what is in your hand, they will not fear you. Likewise, the rep on the other line should not know that you possess info from forums such as HOWARDFORUMS, OR RFD.

IF YOU TELL THEM THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT HOFO OR RFD, or the internet, these reps will care to bargain with you. They KNOW you WONT cancel. And they will call you a bluff. Unless, in certain circumstances you can mention hofo or rfd, otherwise dont mention it. Be ignorant as possible, dont mention words like "retention vlaue pack" or make sure the jargon you use is not language a person who is well verse in retention deal. Stay away from these jargons we often use in RFD, or hofo.

Another thing is, dont be afraid to be "aggressive". You have to be aggressive to get what you want.

Look up government agencies, such as CRTC, Better Business Bureau, and other agencies which the telco companies are signatories to. Arm your self with legal jargon, and be prepared to excercise your "right" to speak to a manager if you do not get what you want.

A lot of the credits I received are from the manager, or office of the pres. as they do not wish to deal with you, and give you what you want.

-things like Rogers changing the LCA, changes to the contracts you see in the bulletons in your wireless bill are GOLD. keep them handy, and call within 30 days, as those are your jailfree cards, as those contracts can help you rid you of your contract, and thus you get leverage to negotiating a better deal. Tell them either you go because they made these changes, or they give you what you want?
TRUST ME, IT WORKS

If Rogers, is gonna screw you over using loopholes, arm yourself with loopholes against them. And be prepared to speak to a manager. If they say a manager will call you back, be firm and say you wish to speak to them now. Chances are the manager wont call you back, and they just want to get rid of you.

STEPS
1. Call 611, and say Cancel (dont use the direct number, as they know you have insider info)

2) tell the customer relations representative nicely, that you are displeased with what you are paying and that competition is offering such and such and thus you want to cancel. BE FIRM, AND ASK THEM HOW MUCH IS IT TO CANCEL.
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the representative will say "oh well the competition is not that great"

you have to offer a rebuttal (always write down your points and rebuttals before making the call)

if the representative does not have any rebutalls for you, chances are that they will give in.

In your points, bring up what Changes Rogers made to the contract, and how you have 30 days to cancel. They will bring up things such as Rogers can change the agreement, then you bring up "cwta.ca" and how it mandates that agreements cannot be changed.

remember, if you are for say fighting for long distance minutes due to the lca change, you always have a right to request arbitration, if office of of pres. or manager does not help you

3) if you are satisfied with your deal, say accept and make sure you get an interaction id. otherwise if you are not happy say you are displeased, and tell them to make a note of the offer, and forward your call to the manager. Mention the same things, and mention your rights as a customer, and how rogers owes you a duty of care eg. not changing the local calling area

(i would google: lca change) and you will see a lot of people got rid of their contracts, or gotten freebies because they voiced their themselves

4)come back to rfd or hofo, and celebrate your success

POINTS TO NOTE


-REMEMBER YOU CAN ALWAYS GO AHEAD WITH THE CANCELLATION, AS ROGERS "WILL" CALL YOU BACK, AND TRY THEIR BEST TO KEEP YOU, THEREFORE DONT BE AFRAID

I DID THAT ONE TIME

another point to note is that REPS dont want to cancel you. The rep has like a quota to maintain, if the rep is doing a lot of cancellation, it gonna look bad on him and he will get discipline, and moreoever he is gonna do paperwork for you cancelling. No one wants to do paperwork.

The key is to be
- FIRM
-WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU ARE GONNA SAY AND REBUTTALS
-RESEARCH COMPETITION, LAWS THAT TELCOS. HAVE TO FOLLOW
-dont give in to their first offer, the first offer is just a bait to see if you will bite. unless the first offer is great, dont take it, trust me they are train to give less, and if customer is persistant on cancelling they will give you more.

good luck guys.

(pardon my grammer i typed too fast of a reply)

As with MrPerfect I am also quite skilled in getting discounts from Rogers retentions, here is my plan:

-$ 30.00 Unlimited Plan w/Unltd Msgs (Unlimited Eve/Wknd Minutes, 450 Weekday Minutes, Unlimited Messaging Bundle (Text/Video/Pic)
-$ 30.00 Data Service Plan 6GB
-$ 8.00 Caller ID
-$ 8.00 Visual Voicemail
-$ 7.00 Early Evening Calling Option (6PM)
-$ 0.00 Unlimited Incoming Calls (3 years)
-$ 15.00 Voice Plan Credit (3 Years)
-$ 10.00 Data Plan Credit (3 Years)
-$ 8.00 Caller ID Credit (3 Years)
-$ 8.00 Visual Voicemail Credit (3 Year)
-$ 7.00 Early Evening Credit
--------------- ------------
Total: 42.5$/month (tax + regulatory fee)

I will answer the majority of questions for this thread and do my best to help you out with deals. Please note I am only experienced with ROGERS retentions and not other carriers retention reps.
 
Here is another quote from RFD, further providing more insight into the Rogers Retentions department.

CREDIT: 7KXakq and MrPerfect of RFD
***** genius tips.

I'll say that again. ***** genius tips there, MrP.

You hit upon about 4 of my own 5 most effective tips in schmoozing reps. For Rog or any other company.

People always ask on this board - how did some_poster get such a good deal? It's NOT by saying some magic buzzwords: "I want a LRQ-304 with a side order of PTP-47", or whatever ... it's by making a connection with the rep and getting them on your side.

I've never (or not recently, anyway) gone into as much detail as you did (for reasons) so I thank you for covering some of this stuff off.


MrP: "a) start your conversation by always saying their NAME. when you are done verifying your account and they say what can i do for you.. "

a) This works because people respond better when their name is used. Human psych, 101. Don't over-do it so as to sound obvious, but use the reps name from time to time during the call.



MrP: "b) surprise them by asking how are you doing."

b) works because EVERYBODY likes to be asked how they are doing, and likely so few cx's ask this the rep is PLEASANTLY STARTLED to have someone actually ask THEM how they're doing. Never mind that everybody likes to be asked their opinion. This question also has the benefit of 'breaking' the rep out of their robotic script, and you've now begun a conversation with a fellow human being. That's the way to get 'BFF' status with the rep - get them on your team, make them your friend and wanting to help YOU out.



MrP: "c) then say you guys having pretty busy night today i know its hard to deal with grumpy people all day long and i have so much respect for you blah blah blah.. then say moving forward the reason im calling you is for blah-blah"

c) Though phrased a little heavily ("respect" the reps job) what you're doing here is showing you understand them and their difficult job. Other tactics might be:
- if calling late at night, say "I'll bet you get some crazy calls from folks who just left the bar, eh?"
- if calling during the a known busy period - e.g. iP4 launch - say "I'll bet it's crazy with everybody demanding their new phone yesterday, eh?" This adds humour to the conversation, and shows you understand and sympathize with the rep's situation.



MrP: "d) present your case well, dont get excited or frustated, be smooth with your words and know the game,"

d) Yep, but this is one that is tough to 'teach' - some people can just think quickly on their feet, other people don't have that gift. If you don't, at least have an idea about what you think you want as opposed to just wanting 'mo' free stuff'. Greedy = unsexy.

If you want to just lower your bill start off by saying that cash is tight and you want to see if there's anything "that we can do" that can HELP you reduce your monthly bill - maybe even be prepared to give something up? Can they adjust you to a lower $ plan that doesn't drop your minutes too much, that sort of thing.



MrP: "e) dont commit to anything untill they are done "offering" then weigh all pros and cons and if you like it ask them to document this in the file and ask for a interation number it will start something like "i300200100"."

e) great tip - start the conversation off by wanting to 'just get an idea what Rog maybe has that can "help" you lower your bill, or let you use your phone more (more minutes, more features) since you like the service SO MUCH already. Reps get grief all day so by your saying you're a happy cx and want to use the Rog service more you're a pleasant change from their usual grumpy, demanding cx. By keeping the conversation GENERAL you avoid the rep documenting a formal offer made to you (so you can call back and try with another rep, without that later rep seeing a previous offer made to you and just parroting it) ... UNTIL it's a great offer that you think you want snaggle (then you want notes made on your account about what exactly was offered). If you see the call heading nowhere you want as little record of that as possible - be polite and say, ok, it doesn't sound like Rog has much leeway, you'll maybe try one of the new carriers and see what other offers are out there - but don't be snarky when you say this, just say it like you're kinda sad (you don't really want to leave the Rog family, and might not, but have to see what else is out there to be fair to yourself.)


MrP: "f) However sometimes if the offer is too good to resist TAKE IT as sometimes you wont get it again even if you call back.."

f) this is covered a little in my e) comments, but if you should get a situation where a rep hasn't fully document the GOLD offer they made to you, and you discover this when you call back to accept, you'll maybe want to have a review of the call-recording performed - for info see:
s://RogersWatch.wordpress.com/Recording


Here are some other general ideas:
- say you call in and rep sounds tired, beleaguered
- maybe mention to rep they sound pooped - are they are end of shift, or have had some really bad cx's to deal with today
- maybe rep says 'no, my kid is sick and was up half the night'
- A HA you think, an opportunity to ingratiate yourself...
-- maybe ask, very, very gently, and say: 'Can I ask, are you a single parent maybe' (probably more single-parents at CSR jobs then in general population)
- if rep says yes, you say how much you respect single parents - parenting is such a tough job ... your sister, self, mom (be truthful!) was a single parent and you really admire them for how hard it is
- or if rep says no, they're not, make a light-hearted crack about how their hubby/wife needs to take a turn and coddling their little one and let you be rested for all the pesky, difficult cx's they have to deal with
- etc ... you're looking for chances to say something nice, yet personal and specific, about this rep - MILD flattery (or it sounds obvious like you're heaping BS upon them, which is a BIG turn-off for anyone) .. and humour helps too

Ok, that's hopefully a little polish to put onto the GOLD tips from mrperfect.

All this stuff above is general schmoozing of people - use their name, respect them, understand them, sympathize with them/their job, get them on board with you (your team), etc.

Don't over-do it tho, or you sound like a BS'er.

For those who know this stuff already and want to get into the really advanced stuff, consider reading a little on the "Reid's Nine Steps of psychological manipulation" (oh, you didn't want to acknowledge that your schmoozing was, at its base, manipulation?):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique

You'll see stuff about, e.g.: how to give someone two choices, both of which you'd like - they get to pick one. A rep (a human in general, actually) will tend to try to give you one of the two choices instead of saying "none of the above". An example might be:
"I'd be really happy if I could get R2R with a credit to offset it, or else maybe even unlimited incoming, credited? I have a friend who has the unlimited incoming with a credit and they say it really helps to them save money and let them get way more use out of their phone, and I'd be totally THRILLED if we could do something similar for me".

(Did you notice my use of the word "we" there - remember, you want the rep on YOUR team, helping YOU solve your dilemma - think like that, speak like that ... and the rep will act like that.)

- the rep will think about the two choices you have given them, forgetting (or avoiding) the other option "none", since by way of your phrasing the invitation (you'd be just tickled) they'd be stealing that 'thrilled happiness' from you if they gave you neither - and it's human nature not to want to 'bum out' your new-found BFF.

You might not get the WHOLE R2R or UnlimIncoming credited (maybe only get $5 off) ... but that's not bad for this call ... (and you'll be calling in again anyway, in maybe 3 mos time, to try to save a little more, or get a little more).

Great plans are not born - they are raised, nurtured, developed ... over time.

So good luck, finaglers.

One last tip: when you're all done thank the rep - tell them how much you appreciate their help. You want them to make good notes on your account after all. And you'd also like their happy-brain-chemies to be firing away too, just like yours are. They're human, help them feel really good about what they're done for you (a "do unto others", sort of thing) ... and hopefully the cx who calls in next will get a happy rep, ready to help them out. Pay it forward.

Hang up, and THEN do the BOOYA, fist-pump into the air : )
 
Several things I have personally been able to get from Rogers. Please remember that it is NOT impossible to get them to discount you/credit you/give you free stuff. It just takes time, patience, several phone calls and a nice rep.

I've only been a Rogers customer since December of 2009. Barely a year and this is what I've gotten discount wise:

PLEASE NOTE: I may NOT be able to assist you in getting a free Handset. These free one's that Rogers offered me were flukes/UNINTENTIONAL and super difficult to duplicate.

$25.00 in plan credits
$16.00 in addon credits
1 Free iPhone 3G upgrade -> 3GS.
1 Free BlackBerry Bold 9700 (due to 3GS problems, they credited my bill for the new device.)
Early Upgrade to iPhone 4 -> $399, credited down to $159 due to complaining of a glitch in the Upgrade System ;)

2 free upgrades(above), no ETF/Cancel fee, had to renew on 3 year term. My current contract (after everything) expires August 8th, 2013.



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Wicked post!! Just talked to a rep. I have a $10 credit on my account for 2007. I just renewed my contract in order to get the iphone4 which is on my way.

I called in to see if i can re-extend that $10 credit towards another 3 years as i just signed up for another 3 years. Already been with rogers for almost 6 years.


She denied. Said she cant give me more credits.. She cant give credits that total more than my monthly plan.. I explained to her but i already have it just want to extend it. She was saying how i already had all these credits.. But what she didnt seem to get is the fact that the early evenings and weekends was to be included in my plan for the beginning so that early evening credit is there because of their screw up i shouldnt need to have a credit for it as it should be included in the $20.

She was cold. Didnt get anything out of it. What do you think?

Here is the plan, its the monthly credit thats epxiring..

$ 20.00 200min/Wkday/Unltd -Eve&Weeknds/My5 Canada Wide
$ 7.00 6pm Early Evenings
$ 10.00 Retention Val. Pack (2500 txt, VM, CID)
$ 30.00 6GB Data Package
$ 8.23 SAF + Fees
-$ 6.95 System Access Fee Credit
-$ 10.00 Monthly Plan Credit
-$ 10.00 Data Discount Credit
-$ 7.00 Early Evenings Credit
-------- --------
$ 41.23 Subtotal
$ 5.36 HST
$ 46.59 Total
 
Wicked post!! Just talked to a rep. I have a $10 credit on my account for 2007. I just renewed my contract in order to get the iphone4 which is on my way.

I called in to see if i can re-extend that $10 credit towards another 3 years as i just signed up for another 3 years. Already been with rogers for almost 6 years.


She denied. Said she cant give me more credits.. She cant give credits that total more than my monthly plan.. I explained to her but i already have it just want to extend it.

She was cold. Didnt get anything out of it. What do you think?

Try again. Don't be afraid to call multiple times and speak with seperate reps. Be aggressive (NOT overly) and firm and eventually someone will cave.
 
On top of telling Bell that I am a loyal customer of theres(satellite,internet,landline) and that Rogers offered to pay half my cancel fee.. should I say something along the lines like Rogers are also offering me, as a plan, like free CID, unlimited texting, 6pm evenings/wknds and such?

or do I leave it at Rogers will pay half my cancel fee for me to sign on with them?
 
On top of telling Bell that I am a loyal customer of theres(satellite,internet,landline) and that Rogers offered to pay half my cancel fee.. should I say something along the lines like Rogers are also offering me, as a plan, like free CID, unlimited texting, 6pm evenings/wknds and such?

or do I leave it at Rogers will pay half my cancel fee for me to sign on with them?

Small chunks of information at a time have greater success rate. The more information, the more chance they'll deny you something.
 
alright cool - man this is kind of stressful haha

I have no idea how to start the convo :p

oh well, I'll try in a few days when I have more time on my hands and see if I can crack them!
 
alright cool - man this is kind of stressful haha

I have no idea how to start the convo :p

oh well, I'll try in a few days when I have more time on my hands and see if I can crack them!

The first/second post of this thread provide great tips on what to say to the reps. :)

Don't stress, it's not as hard as you think.
 
Hey so I finally called Bell retentions and this was my old plan:
200 minutes
My-5
500mb
9pm evenings wknds
All for $50 + tax

Now I have:
200 minutes
My-10
Unlimited texting
500mb
Call display
6pm evenings wknds

For $50+ taxes
 
Hey so I finally called Bell retentions and this was my old plan:
200 minutes
My-5
500mb
9pm evenings wknds
All for $50 + tax

Now I have:
200 minutes
My-10
Unlimited texting
500mb
Call display
6pm evenings wknds

For $50+ taxes
500mb

Did you use this guide or your own way? Thanks for sharing!
 
In part yes - I spoke to 3 people and only the third was nice enough to help me out.. the other two were *******s.

Just treat the person with respect, and do NOT accept the first deal.. they offered me that plan at $60 and I told them it was too expensive.

I called the next day, got a new rep, reiterated the plan that the previous person told me and said that they the previous rep was going to give me this for $50 and the rep bought the lie and gave it to me lol.

So yeah, I win. I love this plan, the other one sucked balls.
 
In part yes - I spoke to 3 people and only the third was nice enough to help me out.. the other two were *******s.

Just treat the person with respect, and do NOT accept the first deal.. they offered me that plan at $60 and I told them it was too expensive.

I called the next day, got a new rep, reiterated the plan that the previous person told me and said that they the previous rep was going to give me this for $50 and the rep bought the lie and gave it to me lol.

So yeah, I win. I love this plan, the other one sucked balls.

I'm glad things worked out in the end for you. Congrats!
 
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