Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Infodataset

macrumors member
Jun 25, 2022
56
350
Sooo....how to prevent abuse with privacy model? I mean someone can change porn actor face with their "friend" right?
 
Last edited:

StrollerEd

macrumors 6502a
Aug 13, 2011
964
6,919
Scotland
Client-side [device-resident] processing does seem to be the key 'must-have' for the M4 products.

The I/O with the data on the Internet another key requirement. But if they get that right, then I've found reason to upgrade, although I might wait to see the user feedback from the early adopters.
 

fonzy91

macrumors regular
Jul 4, 2007
104
141
I'm really excited for iOS 18. Considering Siri currently needs internet access even to play one of your downloaded playlists on Apple Music, this should be quite the leap.
 

purplerainpurplerain

macrumors 6502
Dec 4, 2022
423
753
Apple was in discussions with Google to integrate its Gemini AI engine into the iPhone as part of iOS 18. The main advantages of on-device processing will be quicker response times and superior privacy compared to cloud-based solutions.

Whoever wrote that must be so ignorant if they don’t understand that an LLM like Gemini running on device would make the device unusable, hot and dead in 30 minutes. You can only have a custom cut down LLM made for smart phones if you want fully on device.
 

tomchr9

macrumors newbie
Apr 10, 2024
20
26
When Apple eventually gets up an running, I would think that they will more that likely follow suit and offer subscription based services similar to the ones that ChatGPT provides: Free, Plus and Team. The choice of subscription type could potentially mean the introduction of imposing limits to the utilization of on-device AI capabilites across all Apple devices.

Wanting to monetize yet another digital service is not only likely. It is inevitable. Perhaps they will call it "AppleAI".
 

ocnitsa

macrumors 6502a
Jan 24, 2011
504
949
If Apple truly cared about privacy, their cloud AI would also be in-house.

This just shows that Apple is behind in cloud based AI
If they weren’t behind, they’d be behind like the others who’ve poisoned their LLMs through training via Reddit and Twitter. They are learning from others who were too quick to market, I hope, and building something from the ground up predicated on Apple values. Temporarily using others is a necessary evil.
 

Chuckeee

macrumors 68000
Aug 18, 2023
1,875
4,841
Southern California
The problem with AI from OpenAI, Google and Microsoft is that they all used the same logic with their LLM to train them. It was all based on doing it fast and getting it out there because of the competition. What they all did with their training is to be more concerned with quantity instead of quality. It is the basic GIGO Problem.

I don’t know, and I’m not saying Apple will be better, but it appears with Apple there is at least a ray of hope
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Jumpthesnark

VulchR

macrumors 68040
Jun 8, 2009
3,394
14,273
Scotland
I am not expert on AI, but how on earth will mobile devices represent the multitudes of free parameters needed to make AI useful? Something tells me the phone will pre-process data and then phone home to a computer cluster for final AI output.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TVreporter

Carrotstick

macrumors member
Mar 25, 2024
56
115
If they weren’t behind, they’d be behind like the others who’ve poisoned their LLMs through training via Reddit and Twitter. They are learning from others who were too quick to market, I hope, and building something from the ground up predicated on Apple values. Temporarily using others is a necessary evil.
Apple itself is no saint. Bending over to Xi China to do business there. Apple always puts profits first. Every else is marketing
 

CarAnalogy

macrumors 601
Jun 9, 2021
4,232
7,778
Without it being able to access the internet for information, I'm not sure how useful it would be on an iOS device. I mean, better than nothing I suppose, but don't most people want up-to-date information when using their mobile devices?

What I want is for Siri to be able to use the apps and information local to the phone that it already has access to in an intelligent way.

Right now I've been trained to not even try Siri. For several years they've claimed more on-device functionality but it's still functionally useless for anything but doing things like toggling settings.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chuckeee

CarAnalogy

macrumors 601
Jun 9, 2021
4,232
7,778
I am not expert on AI, but how on earth will mobile devices represent the multitudes of free parameters needed to make AI useful? Something tells me the phone will pre-process data and then phone home to a computer cluster for final AI output.

They released a paper on how to shrink subsets to be used on-device. If it's pre-trained in the cloud on the data types present on the iPhone, especially easy in this case since the iPhone silos information according to Photos, Reminders, Calendars, etc. it should be possible to use that on-device for basic functionality.

They could make a smarter pre-trained Siri that could actually do useful things.

But I'm not getting my hopes up.
 
  • Like
Reactions: VulchR

onemorechris

macrumors newbie
Nov 2, 2016
20
30
London
Apple has a massive task to pull this off. Siri is terrible, it was terrible before chatGPT, despite the way they have talked about it. Apple are going to have to be really really Apple about their move on this; there’s basically no wiggle room.
 

hoorayforhollywood

macrumors regular
Apr 26, 2017
110
268
I'm naive when it comes to neural engines and AI in general but my hope for M4 and onwards is that apps that are introducing AI - Adobe, for example - can take advantage and perform complex tasks blazingly fast. Also that FCP, etc, are optimised with new features. It'll take time, I know, but if the M4 comes out and in house apps like FCP haven't been optimised then that's a misfire.
 

wilhoitm

macrumors 6502a
Jul 22, 2002
836
990
I am not expert on AI, but how on earth will mobile devices represent the multitudes of free parameters needed to make AI useful? Something tells me the phone will pre-process data and then phone home to a computer cluster for final AI output.

Don't forget that with Apple Silicon your iPhone is faster and more powerful than most Windows Desktops!
 
  • Haha
Reactions: VulchR

cyanite

macrumors 6502
Sep 28, 2015
328
414
Sooner or later Apple, MS, Google or some other big player will personalize LLMs by leveraging your personal data (iCloud/Notes/Github repos) to 'fine tune' an existing LLM to be your best personalized AI.

It doesn’t make sense to train it on user data as such. Rather, it makes sense for it to have selective access to user data, just like Siri has.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tagbert

Realityck

macrumors G4
Nov 9, 2015
10,223
15,329
Silicon Valley, CA
Apple's marketing strategy for its AI technology will apparently be based around how it can be useful to users' daily lives, rather than its power.
Given that a lot of consumers don't want a in your face AI interface. It doesn't take a genius to assume that consumers just want something that is usable not that it pertains to AI empowering how you use a computer. This is a lot like demanding quality of user experiences not that you work faster.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tagbert
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.