Handbreak vs. MTR 2.6

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by kage207, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. kage207 macrumors 6502a

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    Okay, I just tried using handbrake for a movie and I got the worst quality possible out of the the damn thing. So I just installed MTR 2.6 and the thing is, it's 4.xGB to rip it as a vob file. And then I'm going to have to turn it into a mp4 file after that's done.

    Is there something I might have down wrong with Handbrake? Because preferably rather use that since of the file sizes are smaller.
     
  2. refulgentis macrumors regular

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    Of course there is, and MacTheRipper is merely copying the CD to your disc.

    It's insane to compare the two, Handbrake is not a ripper, MacTheRipper is not an encoder. Yet, people insist on both being rippers and comparing them.
     
  3. kage207 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Ah, I'll then just stick with using the two then. lol Thanks.
     
  4. 1rottenapple macrumors 65816

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    Experiment with the settings. Go with the apple tv default setting, then slide the "constant" quality from the default 59% (i think) to something at 75% or more. I get good results with 75% but the higher, then the better the image. Its going to be a large file though, but at least you are not ripping and reencoding. Just one incode in this instance.
     
  5. roidy macrumors 6502a

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    75% is far to high you`ll endup with a file that is far to big and shows no extra picture quality. I do all my DVDs at around 62-64% this gives me a file thats around 1.7Gb in size for a 2 hour movie and I carn`t tell the difference from the original DVD.

    I not sure what you mean by "not ripping and reencoding. Just one incode in this instance" whenever you use handbrake you are reencoding the file regardless of what constant quality setting you use. And I not sure what you mean by "Just one incode".
     
  6. refulgentis macrumors regular

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    75% is insanely, insanely, high. Commonly accepted wisdom with video encoding *experts* (not even just the HB people, the savants who write x264), is not to go above 63% at the very most.
     
  7. jdfb macrumors newbie

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    I have MTR 2.6 on my ibook, and am receiving a new imac with 320gb. I plan on copying a lot of my dvd's to the imac to have as backup and to watch on the ipod video and on the imac when ever i feel like it. I have read though in other forums that I need to use handbrake in order to do that. What's the difference between using mtr and hb? My cousin watches movie files on his imac but they open in quicktime, not dvd player. When I use mtr I use "extract main feature only". It saves a gig or two, and the movies come out to 6-7 gb in size, which seems too big since i have seen people talking about their movies being 2-4gb. I'm a bit fuzzy on the mtr vs hb. Recommendations please? Thanks.
     
  8. roidy macrumors 6502a

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    I`m not a mac user so have never used mac the ripper but it sounds like mtr is just like anyDVD on the PC, in that it is solely for removing the encyption from DVDs and copying tham to your harddrive. This will give you the raw files from the DVD and thats why the size is 6-8Gb. The files that come from the DVD are encoded in the mpeg2 format.

    Handbrake then takes those files and reencodes them using a much better compression scheme, mainly mpeg4/h.264, resulting in much smaller files with the same picture quality.
     
  9. jdfb macrumors newbie

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    So then in theory, the process is the following:
    1. insert dvd so mtr and rip to hd
    2. run hb in order to compress and have file viewable on ipod video etc?
    3. delete mtr file from step 1 to avoid duplicate movies.
    thanks

    is that the jist of what i should do?
     
  10. roidy macrumors 6502a

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    Basiclly yes, I do the following:-

    Rip the DVD to my harddrive using anyDVD or in your case MTR
    Use HB to reencode the movie to what ever device you want in my case appleTV
    Delete the original DVD files from my harddrive
    Add the new reencoded file to iTunes so its avalible on my appleTV

    Repeat for all 400 of my DVDs:rolleyes:
     
  11. jdfb macrumors newbie

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    Great, thanks roidy for your help/clarifications. I think I have the uses for both straight now. Appreciate it.
     
  12. rWally macrumors regular

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    And I would also recommend getting version 3 of MTR. 2.6.6 is outdated and won't work on many newer DVDs with more advanced protection schemes.
     
  13. roidy macrumors 6502a

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    Of course if you`ve got a large number of DVDs to do then your better off automating as much of the process as you can. Theres a sticky thread at the top of the forum showing you how. It uses Fairmount but I don`t see why it couldn`t be adapted to use MTR.
     
  14. jcosmide macrumors member

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    I've been using a similar MTR and HB process for ripping DVDs of TV shows but am having trouble because the VOBs never seem to "line up" exactly with the episodes. Any ideas?

    In response to the OP, I've found that, in terms of quality, this two-step process is the way to go.
     
  15. roidy macrumors 6502a

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    Vob files on a DVD are limited to around 1Gb in size so each DVD is made up of several vobs, meaning a single episode may start on one vob and end on another. When you add a source in Handbrake are using the Video File or DVD/VIDEO_TS folder option?

    You should be ripping your DVDs as a complete VIDEO_TS folder and not the individual vob files, then in Handbrake add source DVD/VIDEO_TS point it to your VIDEO_TS folder. Then under the title drop down box each episode should be a seperate title (well most of the time).
     
  16. jcosmide macrumors member

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    Awesome, that makes sense. I had been selecting the vobs individually, unaware of the filesize limit. Thanks, I'll give this new method a try this evening.
     
  17. uraniumwilly macrumors 6502

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    2nded. Speaking as a long-time user, version 3, it's the ticket.

    Consider the sata Plextor PX-850SA. Fa-haaast.
     
  18. robotartfashion macrumors 6502

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    I use Handbrake for 95% of my ripping of DVD's

    I only use MTR if Handbrake can't break the encryption on the DVD to start with (usually means it's a dvd from those bastards at Sony)
     
  19. clumsveed macrumors newbie

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    After MTR??

    Maybe somebody in this thread can help me. After ripping a dvd with MTR, what do you use to compress the TS files to fit it on a standard 4.7 dvd-r? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
     
  20. jcosmide macrumors member

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    I use Toast, I remove all of the extra features, subtitles, and additional languages, then it'll auto-compress to fit onto a normal DVD.
     
  21. clumsveed macrumors newbie

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    isn't there any freeware out there that can do the same thing?
     

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