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Doctor Q said:
What a great idea. Of course, if that works, then you could buy five 40GB iPods, wear them all around your waist, with only one plugged into your ears, and listen to 200GB of music!


One of those snooty fashion bags for the iPod has a capacity for 40 iPods. Imagine the gigage...

iHump is coming!!!!! :eek:
 
broken_keyboard said:
When you stand next to another iPod user, their playlist appears on your iPod. Just like iTunes finds other iTunes using Rendevous, iPod finds other iPod.


That would be awesome! Or what if you could listen to the shared music off of computers that were in range?!?!
 
d.f said:
nice idea. but DRM will stop this typre of "sharing".

it could be for wireless headphones, simple syncing, maybe send your emails to he i-pod if you're in a rush, and read them on the bus on the way to work.


Not necessarily. Ripped songs don't have a DRM.
 
k2k koos said:
802.11G is indeed 54Mb/sec

Firewire as we know it 400 and 800 respectively.

Perhaps wireless firewire uses the same protocols as its faster established parents, but instead operates on 54.. OR Apple has some inovating trick up its sleeve.

As for practicality, 802.11G speed is still fast enough for a few songs
faster than my internet connection, thus faster than buying a song.... I have no complaints....

The article is misleading for making a connection between the two bits of news. First, this new 802.11g module has nothing specifically to do with Apple, that we know of. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been no solid rumors on any kind of wireless (airport or bluetooth) coming to the iPod. It's simply one of many in a laundry list of features that people have been wishing for a while now.

Secondly, the wireless firewire will utilize a totally different wireless protocol, if and when it is put to actual use. As quoted in the Macrumors article:
The new Protocol Adaptation Layer (PAL) for IEEE 1394 over IEEE 802.15.3 was approved Monday. In a statement, the trade association said: The PAL is designed as a standard convergence layer between the 802.15.3 MAC and applications developed for wired 1394. It builds upon the 1394 infrastructure--for example, data formats, connection-management schemes, and time synchronization procedures--and takes advantage of the excellent quality of service available in 802.15.3.
Of course, these different wireless standards may be compatible, in which case I take everything back. From what I've read, 802.15.3 is a bit like Bluetooth in that it's targeted for communication between devices, 'ad hoc peer-to-peer networking', but much faster. So unless Agere is developing a 802.15.3 module, let's leave the wireless firewire out of it, for the sake of clarity.
 
d.f said:
nice idea. but DRM will stop this typre of "sharing".

it could be for wireless headphones, simple syncing, maybe send your emails to he i-pod if you're in a rush, and read them on the bus on the way to work.

Hmmm.....when you said that I immediatly thought of Steve during the keynote introducing the iTMS...

"Unlimited CD burns (up to 10 in a row of the same playlist), up to 3 computers, and an unlimited number of iPods, past present and future models."

Maybe DRM won't be an issue at all?
 
Windowlicker said:
it sounds useful, but what could it actually be used for and what would it actually do? a wireless ipod? it'd still need a power cable.. wifi home entertainment system? it wouldn't need all this handheld stuff on it..

i'm confused, please do enlighten me.

for me the huge thing would be to be able to hear streams from iTunes in my pod.
 
Do it Apple, Do it! Listening to cliqhop radio would totally rock if I could do it anywhere in campus.
 
neonart said:
If you have 38GB of music you surely rip quite a few at a time. Say you ripped 4 or 5 CD's the last couple of days and want to pop them in an iPod before you go out the door tomorrow morning. You want to do it at WiFi speed or at Firewire speed?

Ex: Try to transfer some 45 or 60 songs via Airport from one machine to another. Then try to transfer those songs to an iPod via 1394. You'll figure out the way you'd like to be doing it most of the time real quick.

So WiFi is cool, but not a replacement for Firewire unless that new wireless Firewire really works well.


No I ripped everything all at once and when/if I get an iPod (Which really is no longer an option since the iPod is the only player that does AAC.) I will transfer everything via firewire initially but after that transfering 256MB of files takes aprox 5 minutes max on G. A standard CD is around 128MB-150MB in size unless you go nuts with an insane bit rates a rip here a download there isn't going to take all that long.

My point being is that unless you go weeks between syncs or download half a GB of songs there is no reason why G isn't good enough to handle day to day transfers. As for wireless firewire. Heh. If you think 802.11 is a battery hog I can't wait to see what wireless firewire is like.
 
newbie17 said:
Maybe I don't get it-- but wouldn't the point of wifi in an ipod be to download music from the itunes music store without a computer? Is the software (maybe with the home on ipod stuff) able to do that? Buying music at an internet cafe with no computer would be cool.

I could see this working well with the new Starbucks plan to have "music baristas" making and selling mix discs. But then you'd have that nasty sync-back-to-home-base problem.

I like the idea of an iPod as a home base and not as a mirror drive that you sync to your "home base" computer, which frees you up to buy tracks and build new track lists anywhere you can get IP.
 
k2k koos said:
802.11G is indeed 54Mb/sec

Firewire as we know it 400 and 800 respectively.

Perhaps wireless firewire uses the same protocols as its faster established parents, but instead operates on 54.. OR Apple has some inovating trick up its sleeve.

As for practicality, 802.11G speed is still fast enough for a few songs
faster than my internet connection, thus faster than buying a song.... I have no complaints....
again it is only 54 mb/sec THEORETICALLY
 
Macrumors said:
The module measures only 20x29 millimeters and offers 100 meters of wireless connectivity coupled with low power consumption.

This technology could potentially be used by Apple to incorporate WiFi connectivity in future handheld devices such as the iPod.

Why is everyone so fixated on the options for the iPod? I think WiFi creates possibilities for NEW kinds of handheld devices.

In particular, I'd dig an Apple Improved tablet style iBook with WiFi. So I could use rendezvous to show friends photos froma small device, or to control my desktop remotely, or to check my mail from the couch. I can do that from my powerbook... but it is big (15").

I'm also thinking Apple PVR using WiFi to stream audio, photos, and video from your home network.

This offers options for digital cameras too (like the Nikon with wifi)
 
My big question is how it competes with bluetooth. Initially bluetooth was supposed to be really inexpensive, but yet its not... at least not now... we need low cost wireless to replace USB altogether.

Im a firm believer in all types of wireless, the best use for this I can see is the PDA market... not large transfers... I also see it for the printer and digital camera market... I REALLY want a wireless printer.

For now, i settle with my bluetooth mouse and keyboard i guess.
 
i would like it...

The Cheat said:
iPod + WiFi = pointless

Well, yes and no.
When I buy my iPod when I get around to it, I will use its dock to connect to my PowerMac, to charge it and move over 3500 songs to my iPod. However, if i decide to take my PowerBook somewhere, and not lug around my wired dock, then it would come in very handy to wirelessly transfer the one or two songs I just bought.

Of course you wouldnt use WIFI to transfer your whole library, but, just think of not carrying a dock anywhere you may want to plug in your iPod to transfer music/files.

I say it makes it easier for me to use my iPods second most important feature, HD space, now its like having a wireless flash drive.
 
frem001 said:
Go to www.oqo.com this is what Apple needs to do. This device was made by a couple of ex-employees from Apple and IBM. Looks like an Apple design. shame about the crappy os :D

This shows that it is possible. Apple could do just this but smaller and more powerful, they might even call it a newton.
 
What's in a name?

jackieonasses said:
steve said as long as he was CEO he would not produce a PDA. he hates pda's.

Yet the current iPod has many features of a PDA. And we have iSync for supporting PDA's (that's what modern phones are).

Oh, and last year was the year of the notebook. :)

If Apple can make a killing, Steve won't introduce a PDA - he'll introduce a new iPod or iPhone or iBook Mini or something else that looks like a PDA and quacks like a PDA but isn't a Newton. It's important to remember that Apple is a company that does not compete on margins. It might not be this year but sometime soon a Dell Jukebox is going to be nearly as good as an iPod and Apple's isn't going to give up the King's throne* - they'll have to compete with features, and phone/pda is the one they're best positioned for.

Remember, there are 80 out of 200 sessions at WWDC that are still unannounced - Apple's introducing something major in less than a month.

BTW folks, I did a web search on OQO and found an article on linuxdevices, suggesting OQO will definately ship by end of 2002. They do have a lovely quicktime, though. I might even buy one for a linux handheld if they actually ship, but I'm not betting the farm on ever seeing it.

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* Make the argument that Windows XP is inferior to System 6
 
Does todays anouncement make this look any more of a possibility?

When I first heard this, thought it would be useless, now, I really want one
 
What about this concept?

If yesterday's announcement of the airport express appliance is part of a larger strategy on the part of Apple here is my $.02.

What if apple embraced the idea of Voice over IP and the new wireless firewire thingy. Released the killer app the Apple phone with PDA like features in the ipod 4g the size of the mini. This phone would come unlocked enabling anyone with a gsm chip to use the phone even allowing for multiple chips (for the overseas travelers). This phone would then synch up with the voice over IP device when in range allowing for cheap telephone at home service. When away from the base it could forward all calls to the device. Synch up contacts etc. whenever in range and perhaps use the .mac service as a remote answering machine/contacts storage space/music server.

If Apple then decided to push into the car audio market (as it looks by the flirting that they are doing) then the phone would then send the audio to the car via wirelessfirewire or bluetooth. Your ipod/iphone would then replace your current phone/pda/ipod/homephone. Apple then dominates several markets with integration using the .mac service and begins the long climb back to killing windows.

please don't mind the poor grammar, spelling etc.

Thanks all,

fold on! :)
 
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