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I remember when I had a Razr and other flip phones, I used to continuously flip them open and shut.... almost unconciously. I worry if I got one of these I would do it again and, in this case, end up breaking the phone. I know it sounds childish.... but I'm serious. I'll stick with my iPhone for now.
Yeah, i used to use mine almost like a fidget device.

Reports say this new phone is far stiffer and really requires two hands to open, so that’s probably not an issue.
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Use case: Shallow pockets.

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Given the thickness: use case: shallow pockets and people who never sit down.
 
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I remember when I had a Razr and other flip phones, I used to continuously flip them open and shut.... almost unconciously. I worry if I got one of these I would do it again and, in this case, end up breaking the phone. I know it sounds childish.... but I'm serious. I'll stick with my iPhone for now.

oh you will certainly do that with this phone, and probably twice as much. I mean, if you’re the type to pay a premium for something that serves no purpose other than a cool factor you will likely open it frequently in front of other people just to be cool.
 
I can't get over that 108MP sensor thing. Can anyone explain how it works? The Verge briefly explained it in the following article, but I'm not sure what it means.


Is that truly a 108MP sensor or does it actually count as a tricked out 12MP sensor? The Verge reports that it squeezes 9 pixels into the space of one pixel, which is how you come up with the 108MP number (9 x 12MP = 108MP).

Is this the equivalent of merging the best bits of 9 shots to form a single 12MP image or is it actually producing a 108MP photo? I keep seeing writeups referring to it as a 108MP camera as opposed to a camera with a 108MP sensor, which makes me think they might not be sure exactly what it is either.
 
I can't get over that 108MP sensor thing. Can anyone explain how it works? The Verge briefly explained it in the following article, but I'm not sure what it means.


Is that truly a 108MP sensor or does it actually count as a tricked out 12MP sensor? The Verge reports that it squeezes 9 pixels into the space of one pixel, which is how you come up with the 108MP number (9 x 12MP = 108MP).

Is this the equivalent of merging the best bits of 9 shots to form a single 12MP image or is it actually producing a 108MP photo?

Depending on needs and lighting conditions, it is 108MP or 12MP. If you have good light, you can get very fine resolution with 108MP. But that makes for small pixels, which don't capture much light. In less than ideal conditions, you are better off with fewer, larger pixels. This sensor "bins", or combines, blocks of 9 pixels into single pixels, creating a 12MP image. Each binned pixels is very large by cell phone standards, because the total sensor size is huge on this phone.
 
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Depending on needs and lighting conditions, it is 108MP or 12MP... This sensor "bins", or combines, blocks of 9 pixels into single pixels, creating a 12MP image.

Got it. One sensor with two modes that's determined on the fly.

Now, is it really producing 108MP files? How would it do that without producing crazy heat both from the density of the sensor and the image processing?
 
Got it. One sensor with two modes that's determined on the fly.

Now, is it really producing 108MP files? How would it do that without producing crazy heat both from the density of the sensor and the image processing?

I don't know if it is on the fly or user selected. The phone actually can take a bunch of images over a couple of seconds using all the lenses and provide you with options afterwards. I don't know anything about heat. The sensor is actually quite large, which may help? Xiaomi has been selling a phone with an earlier version of this sensor for a while, and I've not seen anyone talking about heat issues.
 
A folding phone is reminiscent of the flip phones. I think there is some nostalgia there. The benefit of the folding screen is now you can potentially have a tablet-sized device in your pocket.

I personally couldn't handle the crease. I think they should have put the R&D in a bezel-less screen where you're actually folding two separate screens rather than creasing one screen.
 
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One advantage of foldable other than the pocket thing brought up would be it would eliminate accidental taps. One possible disadvantage would be will the screen eventually start looking weird where it folds?
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A folding phone is reminiscent of the flip phones. I think there is some nostalgia there. The benefit of the folding screen is now you can potentially have a tablet-sized device in your pocket.

I personally couldn't handle the crease. I think they should have put the R&D in a bezel-less screen where you're actually folding two separate screens rather than creasing one screen.
Need to get to Jetsons' level where your flying car folds down to pocket size.
 
If fitting a phone into a shallow pocket and sitting is desirable, this phone allows it while a standard phone does not.

As long as one doesn't mind a big fat hard lump in one's pocket, and one's pockets are slack enough to allow it, then yes, I concede the point.
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One advantage of foldable other than the pocket thing brought up would be it would eliminate accidental taps. One possible disadvantage would be will the screen eventually start looking weird where it folds?
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Need to get to Jetsons' level where your flying car folds down to pocket size.

One could just have a flip cover like some old phones used to if one wanted to cover the screen to avoid taps. Or they could just not respond to taps when they are locked, which is what all modern phones do anyway.
 
I can’t wait for folding round “smart“ watches. Now would be really cool! That’s “the future” man
 
I can’t wait for folding round “smart“ watches. Now would be really cool! That’s “the future” man
An apple watch that unfolded into a bigger display might be kind of neat. Of course apple's long-term solution to the "small device but need big display" problem is AR glasses.
 
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An apple watch that unfolded into a bigger display might be kind of neat. Of course apple's long-term solution to the "small device but need big display" problem is AR glasses.
I was only joking about that. But certainly AR will have use-cases and applications beyond things we can imagine today. But I honestly don’t know how marketable they would be in the near future though...from any manufacturer.
 
That's only the launch MSRP - - the price drops on Samsung phones faster than bunches of black spotted bananas. And forget about holding any kind of decent resale value.
Yea heck I see promos before the phones are even launched; although, even iPhones have been having some of that the past few years.
 
I was only joking about that. But certainly AR will have use-cases and applications beyond things we can imagine today. But I honestly don’t know how marketable they would be in the near future though...from any manufacturer.
Yeah, I knew you were joking, but it raised the interesting point that sometimes the ability to fold, roll up, etc. the screen might make a lot of sense. I just don't see it for this particular flip phone form factor.
 
An apple watch that unfolded into a bigger display might be kind of neat. Of course apple's long-term solution to the "small device but need big display" problem is AR glasses.
I can see even more people walking off cliffs and info manholes than with Pokémon Go. At least with a phone you can keep looking around to be aware of your surroundings.
 
As long as one doesn't mind a big fat hard lump in one's pocket, and one's pockets are slack enough to allow it, then yes, I concede the point.

My "slim" wallet (with cards) thickness: ~14 mm
Chapstick tube thickness: ~16 mm
Folded Galaxy Z Flip thickness: 17.3 mm
2nd gen AirPods charging case thickness: 21.3 mm

I think people will get by just fine with the Z-flip in their pocket.

Start at 4:37
 
I can see even more people walking off cliffs and info manholes than with Pokémon Go. At least with a phone you can keep looking around to be aware of your surroundings.

Ok. Not sure how that would be any different. AR isn't VR. You can see your surroundings.
 
Can you explain why people pay $1000 for flagships when they only use a web browser, instagram and whatsapp? What's the use case? Do you think there is any rationality left anywhere near the $1000 mark? Laughable.

It's just a status symbol. As the iPhone 11 Pro is. And a cool one at it.
But ever since installments it's not anymore. When you had to pay hundreds on contract lump sum, maybe, but not when it's $40 or so a month.
 
Can someone explain the use case? What is the purpose of a phone that folds in half to half the height but double the width and which needs to be opened to be used?

have you ever used a flip phone?
There are cases where folding something in half bales the user to store it in a smaller pocket or clutch handbag.
 
Nice try, that argument doesn't pass the sniff test with me anymore. I believed it for years, until I decided to try Android on some old used S7 Edge for S&G. To my surprise, it was awesome. Now I'm on an Note 10+, and nothing comes closer to being a complete package than this beast of a device. I even paid $200 less than what a 11 Pro Max would have cost me. The way I look at it, iPhones should cost about $300-400 less than Galaxy flagships, for offering so much less hardware. Not even close. Apple's days of being The Premium device in the industry, are long over.
The performance of the iPhone has significantly outperformed the competition. They’ve been 2 years ahead on processor design since the inception of the A-series processors. Not that other phones are bad, but in terms of power per core and efficiency, the iPhone’s hardware is miles ahead.
 
Yikes!
That picture of it folded. Ouch.
Wow, a folded phone precisely twice as thick as a regular phone.
Why not just buy two $650 Android phones & stack them on top of each other? Lol.

note:
To those that don’t remember... the attraction of the og RAZR was that it was already thinner than Nokia, et al phones when closed- open it became “impossibly” thin & was impressive to nearly all.
It certainly wasn’t the 1st flip phone- it merely was the first (only?) one to do it with aplomb!
 
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The crease is still there. I don’t want a folding phone with a crease. The other phones look cool. Expensive but cool. I still have no plans of switching to Android though. The Apple products and services integration is still tops for me. Great for the fandroids. Congratulations.
 
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