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This is such a gimmick to sell iOS devices. The heart rate apps that use the camera and light with the finger on the camera lense are just as accurate.

The flash/camera apps are not even as accurate for simple heart rate as the Watch. Those apps aren't even remotely in the same category as an EKG. A single-lead EKG, like the AW or the Kardia hardware, is not the same as a multi-lead EKG like a doctor would use, but it is an actual EKG and provides a lot more information.
 
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So, updated my series 4 watch. Opened the Health App...and nothing.

Anyone have any idea what’s going on? My health app has no ECG feature. I restarted the phone. I opened health app. I even went to Health Data and Heart in the health app. Nothing.

Not sure what’s happening. Have a 7+ but don’t think that would be the issue.
Did the same, looked online and found that there is also an IOS upgrade that you need. On my phone it didn’t show up automatically, but when I went to Settings and checked for an update it was there.

The function needs to be turned on in your health app and not in your Watch app on your phone after you update to the new iOS.
Everything worked fine after that for me.

Just looked, my IOS version is 12.1.1 now.
 
Stopped reading at the insinuation that only 20 year olds wear Apple Watches.
That was not the insinuation of the statement at all, and it was a quote from a researcher, not the author:

“At the least we’re going to see a lot of engendered anxiety and, at worst, it will be beyond anxiety,’’ Topol said. “Its value is if it’s used only in the right people — not for 20-year-olds who have an Apple Watch.’’
This means that false positives for people with otherwise healthy hearts (young people in their 20's) are not worth the extra information of having an always on ECG, since the result will be stress, unnecessary doctor visits, and worse, unneeded pharmaceutical intervention.

If you read Apple's documents (white papers), the Afib warning system (available in all watches save series 0, and not the ECG app only available in series 4) can be inaccurate 20% of the time. That means possible Afib warnings for people who dont have Afib.

So, you stopped reading based on a misreading. Im guessing you do this often?
 
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All Apples Health Kit products are basically "for novelty purpose only" if you fear something wrong get it checked out (but not by us)
 
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Because other countries (European ones) have strict rules when it comes to health. They would not be so dumb to let an Apple watch dictate a persons health. but hay in the USA anything goes....

Well... It is not that simple. It is very difficult to compare the "strictness" of FDA and EU legislation.

In this case AW4 has the FDA clearance (not approval) so that it can be marketed in the US. In the EU it seems to fall into MDD (Medical Devices Directive) domain, which then sets another set of requirements. The requirements for MDD compliance might be stricter than those for FDA clearance, but when comparing MDD compliance and FDA approval, the latter is usually more difficult to achieve. Or at least that is what most players on the field think.

This is further complicated by the fact that the EU is right at the moment transitioning from MDD to MDR (Medical Devices Regulation), which is much more comprehensive, and in most cases stricter than MDD.

I know something about MDD, MDR, and FDA in practice, and personal smart devices such as AW4 are far from simple from the regulatory perspective. If you have a simple hardware (and fixed firmware) based medical device, the regulatory situation is straightforward. Just read the regulations and carry out all tests mandated by the regulation. After you have gathered that truckload of paperwork, someone will stamp it, and that's it.

But in AW4 you have a smart device which does a lot more than a medical device. It has some medical-device-related hardware and software running in it, as well as an app running in another device. What exactly is the medical device here? If the complete system (AW4 HW + WatchOS + iOS + app) is the medical device, it will never become MDR compliant. This is just because then all SW and HW in AW4 should comply to the relevant requirements, which is just impossible.

So, the regulators in any country need to decide which part of AW4 (plus the app) is "a medical device". Before that happens, the device will not receive any medical device approvals practically anywhere. The FDA is playing an important role here, and I guess there is a lot of international cooperation going on behind the scenes.

One possibility is to find out other arrangements similar to the FDA clearance. The device itself is not a medical device, but it can be used in personal use. This is probably the best route to take as these devices gain popularity. One trick that has been used is to label devices as "wellbeing" stuff—as has been done with HRM monitors in general. ECG, however, is so deep in the field of medicine that this explanation may not pass any serious scrutiny.

I am afraid the ECG functionality may not be available in the EU any time soon. The EU might still be the second one (or third after China) to get the ECG functionality, as the amount of money spent with specialists, lawyers, and regulatory agencies is approximately constant and independent of the market size.
 
First impression. I like it. I have been diagnosed with afib and have had surgery to correct. Was told that its a great chance the afib will return, so this is pretty cool to be able to view/document for my doctor. I have an appointment with my Cardiologist next week and going to get his opinion on the report.
 
A lot of things influence your HR, including the temperature of the room, what you are doing, etc. so it is ridiculous to say just because his HR was 98 in one video he should see a doctor. This directly contradicts the Mayo Clinic, which states:

“Consult your doctor if your resting heart rate is consistently above 100 beats a minute (tachycardia) or if you're not a trained athlete and your resting heart rate is below 60 beats a minute (bradycardia) — especially if you have other signs or symptoms, such as fainting, dizziness or shortness of breath.”

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I find the above limits slightly odd.

I am in my early 40s and far away from being a trained athlete. I go jogging a few times a week, but other than that I just sit in front of a monitor or steering wheel. Right now my HR is 54, and that is actually a very high RHR for me (explained by the fact that two hours ago I donated a pint of blood). My usual RHR is around 42, and before falling asleep it may dip down to 38. And as far as I know I have a perfectly healthy heart.

HR or RHR is actually a very poor indicator of too much anything. The baseline HR is a personal feature which has a huge inter-individual variance. I know my low RHR is hereditary.
 
fullsizeoutput_f8c6.jpeg fullsizeoutput_f8c5.jpeg If the watch is on my left wrist, the ecg graph is upside down (compared to normal QRS graphing). If I switch to right wrist, it's nominal.

Nevermind, it's based the settings in Watch... Watch orientation switches it around.
 
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What’s important here is not so much the how but the why. One has to remember A-Fib is such an insidious problem, sadly often the first symptom is a debilitating if not deadly stroke. It also hides from medical professionals and often times is stumbled upon during a routine physical or pre-op testing- for instance locally we have a healthy heart fair every spring. As part of this they do a few hundred 12 lead EKGs. From those one or two get sent to the ER for evaluation of A-Fib. So that take away is to not so hastily disregard a tool that may be beneficial. Who knows it may be yours or a loved ones life saved.
 
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you have to be on the final versions, no betas.

The long version
Go to
Settings > General > Profile (near the bottom)
select iOS 12 Beta Software Profile > Remove Profile
might ask you to restart, don't remember
then go back to Settings > General > Software Update and download the official version
 
What’s important here is not so much the how but the why. One has to remember A-Fib is such an insidious problem, sadly often the first symptom is a debilitating if not deadly stroke. It also hides from medical professionals and often times is stumbled upon during a routine physical or pre-op testing- for instance locally we have a healthy heart fair every spring. As part of this they do a few hundred 12 lead EKGs. From those one or two get sent to the ER for evaluation of A-Fib. So that take away is to not so hastily disregard a tool that may be beneficial. Who knows it may be yours or a loved ones life saved.

yep, my father had open heart bypass surgery 16 years ago. after that he had Afib that was under control with meds but over the years he failed to have them adjusted. this year he had a sudden and unexpected stroke, diagnosed as having been caused by Afib (of which he had zero symptoms) that presented as severe but fortunately he was able to bounce back from with near total recovery over the course of a couple of months. i have no idea if a watch like this could have alerted him before he had his stroke that he had periods of Afib but it would have been a *lot* better than nothing and maybe he would have seen a doctor before his stroke.

this is the tip of the iceberg, just FOUR years ago we were looking at the first apple watch and saying it was so slow, didn't do much etc. and now we have the Series 4 that is saving lives, helping people to be more fit, connecting us to our world with notifications and more. imagine where we will be in a decade? these devices will detect and monitor more and more and save more and more lives.
 
It seems a bit absurd that the FDA states this should not be used by those who already have been diagnosed with a-fib. Wouldn't such people want to know if their a-fib is being well controlled by whatever anti-a-fib-whatever their doctor has them on?

The FDA and doctors probably don’t want someone with an existing problem relying on the watch app alone.
 
Seems the new ECG feature is already generating a lot of controversy. That didn't take long.

Well I can report that I've used the ECG twice now and it works great. Watching my heart rate dance across the display of my watch, and then generating a PDF that I can send to my doctor, is a next-level experience. This is really cool, and I can't wait to see what they're working on next.

Next up is an email filter for Apple Watch PDFs that moves them straight to the trash and securely deletes them in line with patient data guidelines.
 
As someone with no preexisting heart concerns, I'm starting to think that, yeah, I'll check it only if something 'feels' wrong. I really can't see myself checking it on a regular schedule. I'm not even sure if that's the intent.

So now that ECG is finally here, it's raising unexpected questions about usage and purpose (to me at least)

How is this unexpected? While cool the actual ECG feature is only truly useful if you FEEL something or get a alert of an issue. It's the alert that is useful because today along with the ECG update is background detection of AFib and that IS useful for anyone. Likely that you have Afib? No not likely for any of us, that said if it is there you could have a stroke or worse from it with no symptoms so having the watch "watching" me in the background is awesome.
 
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Has anyone had their AF/sinus rhythm show up as an issue?
I had an inconclusive awhile ago. I’ve taking 3-4 today at random times to get some baselines. Tonight I was having a very minor “spell” and so I took it. My HR was hovering 100-101, and I could tell the wave was not as it was before. It came up with the inconclusive moniker for it. In my case, I know I was having shortness of breath and apparently palpitations (I didn’t know what to call them before yesterday). Mine is Most like NOT indicative of a heart attack or a fib, but there is a good chance I have POTS or SVT. The watch isn’t looking for those, so it called it inconclusive.

My wave is wonky, I have no down spikes... i’m actually waiting to be scheduled for a stress test and Holter monitor to try to get to the bottom of it. But this is why I upgraded - I need to be able to get something in the moment. Because 68 -> 158 when bending over tying ones shoes is not normal.
 
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