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Hands-On With the iPad Pro Apple Pencil

iMi said:
They are obviously trying to tone down the marketing push behind the pencil and reframe it as a specialty tool. Or maybe they have always meant for it to be perceive as such, who knows. I suspect it has something to do with the whole "who needs a stylus" Steve Job philosophy. I still believe he was right about it and I'm sure Apple does, too. Stylus has a specific purpose. I haven't seen it yet, but it looks like a well designed product and if it functions the way they claim (which I have no reason to doubt) then it's priced fairly.
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I think they've always meant it to be that way. Notice the product intro video at the September event only showed off drawing. I think Apple considers this more of a drawing tool than for note taking though I think it works well for that too.
 
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patseguin said:
I have a question. Is there any reason why the pencil wouldn't be compatible with the iPad Air 2? I assume it is bluetooth and the iPad Pro doesn't have any type of special screen as far as I know.
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Latency, it will need a9x to make it operate without noticeable delay between pencil stroke and response on the screen.
 
acedout said:
Why would anyone do that? Has anyone tried using a car on a canal?
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Funny you should ask...
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Works better then I expected and I like that it's a pencil with side on shading. Best stylus I've seen. Worth $100... if only I could draw.
 
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Rogifan said:
Probably because both are optional accessories and not everyone who gets the pencil will also get the keyboard.

I still say they missed an opportunity to provide functional convenience. Apple is smart enough to do it in such a way that whether or not you use the pencil, storage is there but unobtrusive. Now, those who purchase both have to either put everything in a bag that has a place to keep a pencil secure, or store the pencil in a … shirt pocket? Silly.
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Rogifan said:
I think they've always meant it to be that way. Notice the product intro video at the September event only showed off drawing. I think Apple considers this more of a drawing tool than for note taking though I think it works well for that too.
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they certainly do and it certainly does work great for note taking (I played with one at an Apple store). anybody who has to take notes with a lot of formulas, diagrams and pictures knows how totally unsuitable previous ipads and ipad styluses were for that purpose. College students is an obvious target audience here and there are millions of them in US alone. Obviously, this is still a niche market but I think it's bigger than the artists market that Apple is marketing the pencil to.
 
It would be nice, if someone would test the possibility of using the pencil other devices.
 
Jimrod said:
The problems with the iPad pro and pencil for me are that firstly the pencil will be rendered useless by updates - in three year's time the built-in obsolescence lag you get on all iPhones/pads will make it far from practical compared to the usual slow reactions of swipes and presses you get on the other devices. Secondly the iPad will never really be "Pro" with no accessible folder structure for storing work projects and the like, it's just too locked down for anything remotely complex.
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Your last problem was solved in iOS8. Works great.

iMcLovin said:
Uhm, according to everything I read, including impressions from Disney and Pixar artists, the apple pen is more accurate than Wacom in all ways. And, as a professional artist myself I got to say that Wacoms precision isnt all that great, I dont even use the tilt feature and Cintiq tablets that cost more than the iPad Pro has about half a centimeter gap from the drawing surface to the screen with a nice and dim coating killing a lot of the color and contrast fidelity. So no, you are wrong!
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You mistook the person your responding to for someone who was providing a thoughtful comparison between two products. He had not even heard of Wacom till he read the post two before his. Some quick googling and he through some random things Wacom highlights as featured in his post to sound legit.

MacDarcy said:
The Apple pencil should and will eventually work on all ipads. Apple just wants to sell iPad pros right now.
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It can't work on other iPads, this was explained in the key note if you need more detail.

pondhopper said:
Stephen Jobs was a master at controlling the supply chain. Welcome to the new reality
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You do realize Cook was the one responsible for the supply chain when Jobs was still running the company...

ckeck said:
I actually think the Pencil is a huge let down compared to the Surface Pro 4/Surface Book pen which sports ~1 year battery and has the eraser. There is also a button but since this is iOS I don't know if that would be useful.

Pressure sensitivity is the same I believe but I noticed that Apple has the problem of the older Surface pen which is the plastic on glass feel. The new SP4 pen has some "drag" to it which makes it feel better for writing/drawing.

Anyhow, the main thing that kills me here is the battery. How could they not pull off something more than that when a comparable (if not better) pen can go orders of magnitude longer...
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I have seen this exact same post on several sites. Is there like a web site with surface talking points?
 
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The more I watch these videos and read the reviews, I want this. I do enjoy drawing (just a hobby really) and I'd be happy with the 32GB iPad Pro and the Pencil. After tax, a $1000 sketchpad and (finally) a good comic book reader. A little hard to swallow for what I will most likely use it for, but, who knows, maybe the end of the year bonus will be enough to swing it for a little personal Christmas present.
 
Neat.....

Sketch to your hearts content..

Apple builds magnets into everything don't they, so no one mentions what happens when u loose the cap.

If the default app the Notes app, that must mean its been re-designed....... You can still take notes though right ?
 
Cold-1 said:
It would be nice, if someone would test the possibility of using the pencil other devices.
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At least one other comment on this thread has nicely informed us that the commenter tried it and it won't work on other iOS devices (that are available for sale now).

So consider the question answered: No, it only works with the iPad Pro. It may work with other iOS devices that have not been released. But if you currently own an iOS device that is not an iPad Pro, the Pencil will not work with it, and it is due to hardware that doesn't exist on your device, so no software update will enable it to work.

If Apple decides to support using the Pencil with the iPad Mini in the future, you will need to buy a new iPad Mini which has the necessary sensors built into the hardware in order to be able to use the Pencil.
 
vasili4 said:
Please don't compare it to Wacom. Wacom's sensitivity is million times better, and it has pen incline detection, which really makes it a professional product. And Wacom pens start from $30, up to $70 for advanced models. Apple pencil is a toy
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Rogifan said:
Just curious when you've used Apple pencil since it seems so hard to come by.
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Have to agree with Mr. Targé. How can you say that when its been out for a week, and unavailable everywhere
 
doelcm82 said:
If Apple decides to support using the Pencil with the iPad Mini in the future, you will need to buy a new iPad Mini which has the necessary sensors built into the hardware in order to be able to use the Pencil.
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isn't that always the way...

New accessories arrive on the scene and immediately we all want it to work with all devices other than that is was designed for as well for primary use.

Makes perfect sense :D
 
dannys1 said:
So you can't complete a project because you can't see a /User/Jimrod/Documents/ folder? Riaghhht ok.
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Why should I make my work more difficult? Right now I'm working on five project designs, each has a folder which contains 3DS Max, ai, Word, PDF, DXF, JPEG, Powerpoint and PNG files, my desktop computer can handle all that and all the associated programs with no problem, no fuss.

A "Pro" iPad that is essentially just a larger version of my iPad 2 would just make my work life vastly more difficult, couldn't even run half the programs I'd need to use and would have nowhere near the power required in the case of 3D rendering. It's just not very "Pro" in my eyes unless Pro means doing the odd presentation here and there.
 
What's the reason why this won't work on all iPads?
Would an iOS 9 update fix that?
They'd sell 10x more if Apple Pencil worked with all iPads ....
 
appledefenceforce said:
This looks like what every naysayer has reiterated for like a hundred million times.

If the product is not right for you, why do you feel the need to click on a post, comment and declare to the people who are probably gonna buy it that you don't think it's pro enough and that you will not buy it? Why?
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Because Tim Cook told me I wouldn't need to buy a PC ever again because of the iPad Pro so I thought I'd come to have a look at what he meant, turns out he's probably wrong in my case. I didn't realise only blind worship and praise was allowed here.

My point about the pencil still stands, lag introduced by updates will render it useless for any design work.
 
Love your oracle li
Jimrod said:
Because Tim Cook told me I wouldn't need to buy a PC ever again because of the iPad Pro so I thought I'd come to have a look at what he meant, turns out he's probably wrong in my case. I didn't realise only blind worship and praise was allowed here.

My point about the pencil still stands, lag introduced by updates will render it useless for any design work.
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Love your oracle like powers - can you forecast next weeks lottery numbers too ?
 
Jimrod said:
Because Tim Cook told me I wouldn't need to buy a PC ever again because of the iPad Pro so I thought I'd come to have a look at what he meant, turns out he's probably wrong in my case. I didn't realise only blind worship and praise was allowed here.

My point about the pencil still stands, lag introduced by updates will render it useless for any design work.
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Ok. You're so wise. You have a medal. Happy?
 
Jimrod said:
Why should I make my work more difficult? Right now I'm working on five project designs, each has a folder which contains 3DS Max, ai, Word, PDF, DXF, JPEG, Powerpoint and PNG files, my desktop computer can handle all that and all the associated programs with no problem, no fuss.
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Of course there's a problem and fuss, you just don't see it because its the way things have always been. None of the time you have spent organising and saving and naming and browsing for those files was necessary. Every time you opened a file browser to hunt down a file in one of those folders you were wasting precious concentration and time. You could have been doing design work instead. iOS isn't ready to take on desktop workstations, but that's more about storage and the dire economics of the app store than it is about access to some imaginary filesystem.
 
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