Naraxus
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Unfortunate? Hardly. Its simplicity is what has made it the only tablet in the market.
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Happy Birthday, iPad: Apple's Tablet Turns 16
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ThailandToo
macrumors 65816
Again, the regular iPad that makes all the sense in the world. With the iPad Pro and Air with M-series SoCs, it’s brainless or greed! I expect the latter.
the8thark
macrumors 601
Apple already have. The Neo is cheaper than a comparable iPad plus keyboard. Has MacOS as well.
For switchers, low end tasks and actually a lot of stuff the Neo is all round the better and cheaper device.
Sure there are a lot of specific use blades where the iPad shines but for many people the Neo is the better option.
I do think the Neo will eat into iPad sales. Mostly in the lower and mid end of iPad sales. The iPad Pro users want what the iPad offers - ie touch screen, pencil and other features.
For many use cases and new to Apple people the Neo will be their purchase, not an iPad. The Neo existing cannibalising the iPad sales.
For switchers, low end tasks and actually a lot of stuff the Neo is all round the better and cheaper device.
Sure there are a lot of specific use blades where the iPad shines but for many people the Neo is the better option.
I do think the Neo will eat into iPad sales. Mostly in the lower and mid end of iPad sales. The iPad Pro users want what the iPad offers - ie touch screen, pencil and other features.
For many use cases and new to Apple people the Neo will be their purchase, not an iPad. The Neo existing cannibalising the iPad sales.
Happy_John
macrumors 68000
Whose greed though?
I mean, it does seem that it’s the “community” that screams for more mire, more.
If Apple are matching endless demands and profiting from it, that’s closer to being opportunistic than greedy.
If weren’t back to ONE new iPhone, ONE new MacBook, ONE new new iPad every refresh cycle, this site would collectively lose it’s mind ( and a lot of YouTubers would be looking for alternative employment).
I'll keep asking this -- and I know no one will actually answer -- Why did Google lose the lawsuit that Epic games brought? That is why did they get convicted of _actual_ anti-trust violations and anti-competitive behavior. Where as, Apple was vindicated and cleared of such allegations, with only the anti-steering provisions deemed illegal?
Google is the one that actually allows you to OPTIONALLY install any android app you want. Google allows you to downgrade to any version of Android your mobile phone supports. You can change settings, modify the phone, etc. You don't need "permission" in general to use the device that you purchased. (but this is changing)
So why did Google get flambéed and not Apple? A dumbass jury for Google and a biased paid off judge for Apple?
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edubfromktown
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DribbleCastle
macrumors 6502a
Reminds, me. I should go charge mine to give the battery a little exercise.
edubfromktown
macrumors 65816
Larsvonhier
macrumors 68000
And I´m still unnerved about the utter unusable state that the final iOS 5 upgrade left the original iPad in. What a shame, Apple. Safari completely unusable and crashing due to RAM shortage and no way bak to iOS 4 which at the time worked pretty well.
The short answer is that Google presents Android as an open platform while its actions undermine that premise. Apple has never really done that, except for embracing open standards (the Internet) when it became advantageous to do so.
nickdalzell1
macrumors 68040
I had a 'modern iPad' not long ago, and ya know what I did with it? Watch YouTube, play Angry Birds, and use iMessage.
Today, I use an iPad 2 (Jailbroken, iOS 6.1.3) and ya know what I do with it? Watch YouTube, play Angry Birds, and use iMessage.
Not sure what I'm missing and the 2 has a better UI that's more pleasing to my eyes.
Today, I use an iPad 2 (Jailbroken, iOS 6.1.3) and ya know what I do with it? Watch YouTube, play Angry Birds, and use iMessage.
Not sure what I'm missing and the 2 has a better UI that's more pleasing to my eyes.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Not too long ago the iPad bros(the iPad 2 and iPad 7th gen) were hanging out, when the iPad stork delivered a healthy IPP M5 11.
While my iPads see a healthy dose of consumption they 7th gen was getting long in the tooth and I decided to upgrade. The m5 is awesome and nothing seems to slow it down much. With the screen being the headliner. The beautiful oled goes well with iPadOS 26.
I can feel and see the difference between the 7th gen and IPP m5. M5 and iPadOS 26 are superb together.
While my iPads see a healthy dose of consumption they 7th gen was getting long in the tooth and I decided to upgrade. The m5 is awesome and nothing seems to slow it down much. With the screen being the headliner. The beautiful oled goes well with iPadOS 26.
I can feel and see the difference between the 7th gen and IPP m5. M5 and iPadOS 26 are superb together.
nickdalzell1
macrumors 68040
While I love the depth and design of my iPad 2. It might not have a retina display but at least my eyes don't hurt to look at it because it has a lot of skeuomorphic depth. It's fast, smooth, scrolls smooth and everything I use an iPad for 'just works'. Battery life is impressive too. I don't need Night Shift or Dark Mode to 'fix' the problems of flat UI. It doesn't matter how wonderful the screen even is if the UI it's drawing hurts my eyes the same way Tandy DeskMate ages ago did.
Luftkopf
macrumors 65816
Well done for getting anything useful out of iOS 6!!!
Each to their own, but while the old ‘skeuomorphic’ design was nice in its day, it just looks massively dated now.
nickdalzell1
macrumors 68040
See? I feel the exact same about flat design. To me it dates back to the era of Tandy DeskMate, Windows 1.x and MS-DOS. I was glad to get away from it the first time. Going back just feels like reliving the '80s in higher resolution.
As for getting useful stuff working in iOS 6, you can thank homebrew devs, jailbreak and tweak authors, and third-party app stores such as Veteris. I just got a used iPhone 3GS and got iMessage, Mail, Weather, Maps and Stocks working pretty fast. I forgot how small it was! It's downright adorable! Also thanks to TubeRepair(BETA) the YouTube app works (both on iPad and iPhone 3GS) and no ads!
My Mac runs Snow Leopard too, and thanks to folks who made PowerFox a reality, I can browse the modern web on it.
Either way I am having an enjoyable time interacting with the UI I've missed since 2013. Also massive benefits to using a 3GS on WiFi only, as I'm unreachable when out, can touch grass without being distracted. It makes a dandy iPod.
I don't have issues with people who actually like flat design but I tried it and attempted to get used to it and I can't stand it. Hey, if it works for you all joy! Thankfully plenty of older devices exist on eBay cheap and still work.
Luftkopf
macrumors 65816
I mean, I don’t really disagree about the flat look. I think that was the wrong direction, but it was time to move on. I still have an old 2008 iMac that I fire up once every couple of years when I need an old file, but every time I do it reminds me how old the OS looks!
I’m impressed with what you’ve managed to do with your old machines, and it illustrates why I think Apple should open up older hardware a little!
nickdalzell1
macrumors 68040
Just for the record, it ain't I who managed it, it's the jailbreak authors, homebrew devs and various tweak hackers. All I did was run Legacy iOS Kit and then add in Cydia repos and installed some root CAs from a website following a tutorial. I found out about PowerFox from this forum when searching a modern browser for OS X 10.6.
These days I don't rely on smartphones or modern tech like I once did. My needs are quite simple so an old iPhone 3GS fits my needs perfectly and since free WiFi is pretty common around where I live, I can still get my iMessages and such as I have been with my 17 Pro. I can only dream what we could have had if skeuo UI were still being developed, but I guess we'll never know. But it still feels 'modern' to me as I'm just that old and to me flat is 100% backwards. Still smooth, fluid, easy on my eyes, and fun to interact with. I finally want to touch my devices instead of just getting the work done and immediately putting them to sleep. I lived with DeskMate during my junior high years (the labs all used Tandy 1000 XTs) and to be reminded of that harsh looking design in any way just makes my eyes hurt. I don't seem to have eye strain after staring at Snow Leopard for hours, while I did even with Night Shift and Dark Mode enabled on my M3 Air. I'm not noticing any speed issues either despite the ancient hardware. Everything is smooth and that's thanks in part to most apps being period accurate (Although I had to do a ton of about:config stuff on PowerFox as some sites would strain the 2GB RAM and paltry Core2Duo of my 2009 MacBook Pro). For me it ain't nostalgia otherwise I'd be nostalgic for (haha!) DeskMate or DOS! Maybe it's a personal theory but I feel that since our eyes are intended to perceive a 3D world it makes more sense to have a skeuomorphic UI than a flat one. But then I often wonder if the younger people respond to flat better, as their only reference to skeuomorphism is their great grandma's old Windows Vista netbook she keeps around, so they associate it with old somehow. For me flat gave way to skeuo and that's how progress should work. The irony today is most modern cars are replacing the actual gauges and instruments with screens depicting heavily skeuomorphic 'fake' instruments and to me that's just ridiculous.
Given some of the experiences I've seen they have done things with modern UI that kinda ruined the accessibility they once had with the skeuomorphic UI. For example, when the iPad launched originally, Apple could proudly and accurately claim that you could hand it to a 4 year-old or a 96 year-old and both would be able to operate it without even needing a manual. These days, it's hard to get especially the elderly to understand the gesture controls; they tend to use their fingernail to attempt it and fail, or don't understand the swipe up to go home or can't do it due to their dexterity failing. The home button was a useful thing and the skeuo UI made it far easier to understand.
These days I don't rely on smartphones or modern tech like I once did. My needs are quite simple so an old iPhone 3GS fits my needs perfectly and since free WiFi is pretty common around where I live, I can still get my iMessages and such as I have been with my 17 Pro. I can only dream what we could have had if skeuo UI were still being developed, but I guess we'll never know. But it still feels 'modern' to me as I'm just that old and to me flat is 100% backwards. Still smooth, fluid, easy on my eyes, and fun to interact with. I finally want to touch my devices instead of just getting the work done and immediately putting them to sleep. I lived with DeskMate during my junior high years (the labs all used Tandy 1000 XTs) and to be reminded of that harsh looking design in any way just makes my eyes hurt. I don't seem to have eye strain after staring at Snow Leopard for hours, while I did even with Night Shift and Dark Mode enabled on my M3 Air. I'm not noticing any speed issues either despite the ancient hardware. Everything is smooth and that's thanks in part to most apps being period accurate (Although I had to do a ton of about:config stuff on PowerFox as some sites would strain the 2GB RAM and paltry Core2Duo of my 2009 MacBook Pro). For me it ain't nostalgia otherwise I'd be nostalgic for (haha!) DeskMate or DOS! Maybe it's a personal theory but I feel that since our eyes are intended to perceive a 3D world it makes more sense to have a skeuomorphic UI than a flat one. But then I often wonder if the younger people respond to flat better, as their only reference to skeuomorphism is their great grandma's old Windows Vista netbook she keeps around, so they associate it with old somehow. For me flat gave way to skeuo and that's how progress should work. The irony today is most modern cars are replacing the actual gauges and instruments with screens depicting heavily skeuomorphic 'fake' instruments and to me that's just ridiculous.
Given some of the experiences I've seen they have done things with modern UI that kinda ruined the accessibility they once had with the skeuomorphic UI. For example, when the iPad launched originally, Apple could proudly and accurately claim that you could hand it to a 4 year-old or a 96 year-old and both would be able to operate it without even needing a manual. These days, it's hard to get especially the elderly to understand the gesture controls; they tend to use their fingernail to attempt it and fail, or don't understand the swipe up to go home or can't do it due to their dexterity failing. The home button was a useful thing and the skeuo UI made it far easier to understand.
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