Not entirely true. Microsoft helps game developers make a better product. Apple seems to hate games, game developers, and gamers and it's an uphill battle to develop decent games on the Mac. It's no wonder EA uses Cider to port their games: Mac users expect the games to run like crap compared to Windows on the same hardware, might as well reinforce the idea if there's no benefit to improving things.
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Not entirely true. Microsoft helps game developers make a better product. Apple seems to hate games, game developers, and gamers and it's an uphill battle to develop decent games on the Mac. It's no wonder EA uses Cider to port their games: Mac users expect the games to run like crap compared to Windows on the same hardware, might as well reinforce the idea if there's no benefit to improving things.
I run into more Mac fanboys who are ignorant of reality than I do PC fanboys but both are equally a pain. Both Mac and PC have their Pro's and Con's, unfortunately people seem to have to like one or the other and justify it by slamming the other.
Take Apple TV ads, just waiting for one of the ads to say nana nana boo boo when it's done. I hate those ads more than idiot fanboys.
They're "JUST" marketing? They are outright lies, if some of them were based in some kind of fact I might enjoy them. Their commercials are typical of someone who needs to knock another product to make theirs look better, it would help if they actually made better products instead of stupid commercials.
Yes, they're just marketing. Just because I see something on TV doesn't make me go out and buy it. Marketing in general is stretching the truth and creating assumptions. Is Tide better than Downy? I have no idea, but Tide say's it's the best, and so does Downy. The truth is irrelevant in marketing.
I heart OSX
I think I could say I'm a major OS X fanboy but not an 'apple' fanboy at this point. If I could build a new core i7 unit and slap OSX on there legally with apple's blessing (or if they actually made a mid tower) then I would say I'm a full fledged 'fanboy' of apple.
It's that nagging knowledge that I can 'build' a monster quad core machine for less than an imac that kills me sometimes, but OSX keeps you commin' back every time.
I think I could say I'm a major OS X fanboy but not an 'apple' fanboy at this point. If I could build a new core i7 unit and slap OSX on there legally with apple's blessing (or if they actually made a mid tower) then I would say I'm a full fledged 'fanboy' of apple.
It's that nagging knowledge that I can 'build' a monster quad core machine for less than an imac that kills me sometimes, but OSX keeps you commin' back every time.
I got into an argument with a brain-damaged friend the other day who doesn't like Macs because they're "not very upgradeable." He says, "With my computer, I can use it for ANYTHING, and when something new comes along, I can open it up, pop it in, and fire that sonuhvuh bitch right back up!" I'm assuming he means graphics cards and RAM. This guy even started hating on Intel. He said, "You know AMD is the only game in town when it comes to 64-bit processors? Nobody else can make a 64-bit processor because AMD has the right to those. Intel has to make their processors "dual" and "quad-core" to try and keep up with AMD." Completely false information? You got it. So as I'm talking, I end up figuring out that his computer is over four years old, with 3GB of RAM and a 1-point-something-GHz processor. The graphics card must be PCI (not PCI express) to work in his system. Oh yeah, and it has an AMD processor from a few years ago. I'm kinda thinkin' here that this guy proudly bought his PC after years of saving up his hard-earned money, and is still trying to cling to the hope that his PC is still up-to-date. When in fact, it's fugly and out-of-date....but hey, at least you can pop open the case! Wooohooo, sign me up for that! 
Sounds like presidential candidates.
Yeah, that person is clueless about technology. My guess is his computer is AGP. AGP started around 1997 and has been dwindling for several years now.
Either way, whether the person is clueless or not, each person chooses their own system, much like cars.
No, but you don't really get types who don't actually have any real knowledge of how washing powders work pathologically defending a particular make.
Only problem is Tide is detergent and Downy is fabric softener. They both are also manufactured by P&G, so they aren't competitors.
That's actually true. I could buy a 4870 or a GTX 280 or a sound card or perhaps a new board, and Windows would still run on it without hacking it. Lack of real (or fake) overclocking features is rather annoying, but it's hard to blame Apple when their target customer is a PTA mom or something.
Ho ho! Your friend certainly is brain damaged. AMD has LICENSED the x86 architecture from Intel, if they break the terms of the contract, they lose the license, and get destroyed. Windows and OSX are based on the x86 architecture.
As far as the second part of that, it's totally true. AMD was the only choice for performance for a good while before Core 2 passed them by. They had the first dual cores.
I'm kinda thinkin' here that this guy proudly bought his PC after years of saving up his hard-earned money, and is still trying to cling to the hope that his PC is still up-to-date. When in fact, it's fugly and out-of-date....but hey, at least you can pop open the case! Wooohooo, sign me up for that!
I bought a G4 and a P4 in 2001. Guess what? They both suck today. Apple's technology, which is the same as Dell and HP's technology, gets old at the same rate.
Number one, you don't know that for a fact, and you look like a huge dry cleaning fan.
Number two, the point is still the truth is irrelevant in marketing.
I'm not saying that's good or bad, that's just the way it is.Only problem is Tide is detergent and Downy is fabric softener. They both are also manufactured by P&G, so they aren't competitors.
That's an awesome hobby you've got there
The iPhone 3G speed class action is one that comes to mind, but if you'd like to limit me to the Get a Mac ads, everything they say about Vista is a lie. A popular lie that many people buy into, but a lie none the less.
Yes, limit yourself to the Get A Mac ads. Oh, and I said specific. "Everything they say" is not exactly specific.
To start with, the new Bake Sale ad implies that Vista needs fixing. While this might be argument enough for someone who has never used Vista, this isn't true at all. I've been using Vista since May 2007, with a printer, mics, software dating back to 1997, and hardware ranging from 2001 to 2007 vintages. There is nothing to fix, everything works well.
Next, in the calming teas segment, PC mentions "crashy time camomile," "pomegranate patience," "raspberry restart," and "missing driver mint." Vista doesn't crash any more than OSX does. In fact, the last time Vista crashed was because of Left 4 Dead, not the OS itself. Other than that, it's only crashed on me with bad hardware which is unavoidable. Next, you only need patience if your computer is from 2001. Guess what? My G4 requires a lot of patience also. My P4 can still do stuff, my G4 is at best an internet machine. Restarting? Why would I need to restart? I don't turn my computer off for months at a time. No issues, lots of people do it. And finally, missing driver mint. All of the drivers I've ever need have been available, I've never been left hanging because of lack of driver support. OSX on the other hand has support for maybe 20 graphics cards.
In general, ALL of the Get A Mac ads paint Vista as a product that doesn't work, that needs fixing, etc, and there isn't a grain of truth in it. In fact, most of the arguments for why Macs are better are personal taste and gray areas that aren't really true. Easier to use? Please, PM did an article a while ago that used people who were not computer geniuses, and they found that both Vista and OSX were perfectly easy to use.
Yes I know. I just don't get the reasoning behind the claims made by the "Oooh-looky-I-can-pop-open-my-computer" crowd. They act as though they'll be able to keep their computer in service for 600 years just because some components can be upgraded. I mean, there are tons of limits to upgrading...i.e., systems can address only so much RAM, ports and slots do become obsolete over time, plus the difficulty of locating all your necessary drivers and a myriad of other compatibility issues. I'm sorry to say, just because your computer is "upgradeable" doesn't mean you can go find an old 1995 Compaq at a garage sale, shove in an NVIDIA Quadro FX and then fire up Maya and Crysis. As a side note, whenever I recommend a Mac to people, I always let them know about the upgradeability issues and encourage them to get the most computer they can afford, unless they are reasonably deft with a soldering iron.
Unfortunately your personal experience with Vista does not equate to everybody else's experience. Vista may work fine for you. But to claim that nobody else has had the issues that these ads are alluding to, that's also not being honest.
My experience differs with other people's experience because of hardware. My hardware isn't defective, and my hardware is significantly less than 5 years old. Old computers or defective hardware will always make a program seem crappy. The program has nothing to do with it.
You have forgotten your original challenge, surely you agree that the content of those ads is misleading?
You have forgotten your original challenge, surely you agree that the content of those ads is misleading?
So, Apple should have included a disclaimer stating that only people with defective, old hardware should watch the ad?
Misleading? Perhaps to some, including you. Right on the money, for others. And I don't think misleading and outright lies are the same thing, which was my original challenge.
My point was that people with old computers blame vista for their computers for being slow. It's not Vista's fault they have old computers. Apple blames Vista being slow on Vista, when it's actually their hardware's problem.
What's the difference between misleading and lying? Lying is certainly "worse," I see what you're saying, but Apple's (or anyone's for that matter) marketing is by default designed to put themselves in a good light and show their competitors in a bad one, regardless of the truth.
Mac haters are annoying
I am sick of people who hate Macs that haven't even tried or owned one. A lot of my "friends" hate Apple for stupid reasons, "TOO EXPENSIVE!", "I can't play my game!!" It's like it's just natural to say those things now. But what made me particularly mad was today was because someone told me, "Macs suck," I ask why and they were like "you don't know anything about computers." Then he says "I'm sick of idiot Mac users." I ask why do Macs suck, and he said he didn't want to get into it. Because of my anger, i decided to sign up here, where i can finally be with people who aren't so narrow minded. I'm sorry if I'm ranting on, it's just I'm pretty annoyed. :\
I am sick of people who hate Macs that haven't even tried or owned one. A lot of my "friends" hate Apple for stupid reasons, "TOO EXPENSIVE!", "I can't play my game!!" It's like it's just natural to say those things now. But what made me particularly mad was today was because someone told me, "Macs suck," I ask why and they were like "you don't know anything about computers." Then he says "I'm sick of idiot Mac users." I ask why do Macs suck, and he said he didn't want to get into it. Because of my anger, i decided to sign up here, where i can finally be with people who aren't so narrow minded. I'm sorry if I'm ranting on, it's just I'm pretty annoyed. :\
Well i think you may find some narrowmindedness towards PC here.
As a PC user I looked at macs but they did not have the hardware configurations I was looking for.
Cost, yeah macs, to me at least, seem to be more expensive.
macs don't suck nor do PCs.
For me to convert to macs would be a costly transition. I would like to introduce a mac to my network but its going to have to wait.
As a PC user I looked at macs but they did not have the hardware configurations I was looking for.
Cost, yeah macs, to me at least, seem to be more expensive.
macs don't suck nor do PCs.
For me to convert to macs would be a costly transition. I would like to introduce a mac to my network but its going to have to wait.
Good point, but i have a Mac and a PC, and i can say i love my iMac so much more. These people won't even give a Mac a chance. They use iPods and love them, but can have the nerve to say, "Apple sucks," when they are using their products. So it's the narrowmlndness of PC users who won't even give a Mac a chance and just follow the crowd on their rationalizations of Macs.