Has apple officially neglected the "Professionals"?

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by gothamm, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. gothamm macrumors 6502a

    Nov 18, 2007
    I remember when apple used to be about productivity, functionality, simplicity. But ever since apple has started catering to the masses, they have overlooked the true supporters - the "real" crowd so to speak. A few obvious examples of this:

    - exclusion of firewire in the new macbooks
    - exclusion of FW 400 in the new MBP
    - No Matte option for the new MBP's
    - New super glossy screens, which pretty much act as a $1500 mirror
    - New super glossy LED backlight cinema displays
    - making everything super complicated with the new "displayport"...can't even run apple's own hardware on the older acd's, and vice versa.

    in addition, i finally realized today that apple just released the in-ear headphones. I was looking forward to these for the volume control, only to find out that they don't work with apple's most expensive portable device, the iphone 3g.

    whatever happened to "it just works" :rolleyes:
  2. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    Let's see how the Mac Pro shapes up before we get start getting all angsty.

    All these individual issues have been beaten to death in countless threads before this one. What's more, you don't build a multi-billion hardware and software company solely on the business from designers, and video and audio editors etc.

    So, no. Officially is a silly word to use, even though I personally dislike some of the directions they're moving in. Apple know that many — but not all of us — are locked in, whether out of brand loyalty, industry standards or established workflows.
  3. drichards macrumors 6502a


    Nov 30, 2008
    Its been expensive to run an old clear-body ACD for a while, Apple's DVI-ACD adapter was cost prohibitive. Displayport and minidisplayport are DVI and HDMI compatible, no worries.

    The 13in macbooks aren't aimed at professionals, they're aimed at the average user. The average user doesn't use firewire where they can't use usb instead.

    FW800 is on the MBP, I don't see why FW400 not being there is a problem. If I could find my 800-400 cable, I wouldn't use my 400 port. The glossy screens, well you can see below that I have a matte screen so you know how I feel, but the new screens really look nice. I'd like to see a matte option, but we'll see how it goes.

    The new in ears have the same sort of mic and control unit as the other buds and the same connector, and they work with the Touch. Why don't they work with the iPhone if they work with the Touch? That sounds silly.
  4. Maxiseller macrumors 6502a


    Jan 11, 2005
    Little grey, chilly island.
    I agree 100% with your points. They have been discussed to death - but I believe that Apple should be aware of these issues so that they do something about them.

    Part of the problem is that we're all locked in, and Apple just don't have enough machine variety compared to PC's as they're a much smaller unit. There are hundreds of PC manufacturers supporting Windows but only one supporting the mac. If you use OSX, you're pretty tied down to whatever Steve thinks we should all be using.

    I would have purchased a new Macbook but since there is no firewire (and I'm not willing to buy a new camera and audio interface (£1500 worth on top of the machine cost) I'm typing on an eBay purchase, second hand macbook pro!
  5. inigel macrumors regular

    Mar 14, 2008
    No where
    I believe that the microphone and the answer/play/pause/previous & next track work, just not the volume controls.

    It has something to do with the conductors on the 3.5 mm jack. Normally there are three (power, left and right channel), however the iPhone has four (power, left, right and mic console). The new In-Ear Headphones uses the same number of conductors, so I am guessing that they may fully work ina future firmware update. Maybe, maybe not.

    EDIT: Just found this in the reviews on the Apple Store:
  6. gothamm thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Nov 18, 2007
    so to paraphrase, what you are saying is that you will buy anything that apple makes, because you are locked in?
  7. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004

    To some extent because of what I do, yes. It's fortunate that I quite like using a Mac. ;)
  8. gothamm thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Nov 18, 2007
    you can still moderate MR on a windows lappie ;)

    maybe i am being overly pessimistic, but i do hope things change.
  9. eXan macrumors 601


    Jan 10, 2005
    No they haven't. They still have a 17" MBP and a Mac Pro ^^
  10. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004

    Heh. Must seem like that sometimes. :D

    And just to clarify, I do not buy anything that Apple makes, I buy what they make that fits my needs. I have not purchased a MacBook Air, iPhone or Touch. I use a non-Apple matte display. I use a mouse that's almost eight years old in design. :eek:

    Believe me, I'm as curious to see where they're going... but maybe not as concerned as I would be if I was currently looking to buy. Which I am not. Let's see how things shake out next year.
  11. Topher15 macrumors 6502a


    Oct 22, 2007
    Apple is a business, their goal is to make money. At the end of the day they can do what they want.

    The only legitimate point you have it matte screen option. They ideally should give give a choice.

    About the new in-ear headphones... apparently they do work with the iPhone.
  12. .Andy macrumors 68030


    Jul 18, 2004
    The Mergui Archipelago
    I'm a medical science professional and Apple's offerings cater much better to us now and are far more useable than in the 90s.
  13. Scottsdale macrumors 601


    Sep 19, 2008
    A lot of professionals like the glossy screen... but I believe the true professional that has a MBP, also has a Cinema Display. I believe the new Cinema Displays meant to compete will have matte options. The 24" LED Cinema Display is meant for MB owners... It is not targeted at true professionals running Mac Pros. And that is the point in why no adapter. Apple is giving themselves time to introduce ALL of the new displays at MacWorld in January. It is three weeks away... come on.

    You are making a lot of assumptions. Plus, the 17" MBP is the only Apple Notebook with a high-resolution display. Perhaps it will still come in matte, which the semi-updated model does have the matte display. A real professional NEEDS the large display.

    As a business professional, I truly love all the Mac products. Doing some web development on the side, I love the glossy screens and find them higher quality than ever. I think the colors and accuracy of my MB display is BETTER than the MBP I previously used.

    I think the firewire complaining has to stop. Let's face it, 90% of peripherals are USB 2.0. And, the MBP the Pro model has firewire. I find the complaints about firewire completely pointless. The MBP has FW 800. It is backwards compatible. So, how is that not servicing the professionals? Not like they only included one FW400 port making the FW800 useless... Am I missing something here...

    So, why cannot we all just be happy with the products, or go buy some other computer. Buy a dell and run Linux on it if that makes you happy. For me, I am happy happy happy with Apple's products. I think their products are superior to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING on the market. And, you get to run the Mac OS X and not Vista.

    Cannot wait for the new lineups in January. Go Steve Jobs! Go Apple. Innovative, creative, and absolutely the BEST products... as always from Apple.
  14. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Don't forget to cry about the Mini not being updated.
  15. scotty96LSC macrumors 65816


    Oct 24, 2007
    Charlotte, NC
    We build and develop software and software solutions where I work. To think we can build our product to fit EVERY clients EVERY need can't be done. The masses win. Apple, I feel, is walking this same path. You just can't make everyone happy.
    With that said, I too have voiced my concern to Apple, with the lack of matte options for mbp. I feel this option will be made available.
  16. xparaparafreakx macrumors 65816

    Jul 29, 2005
    The macbooks didn't even have Firewire 800 to start with.


    You got to be serious right? Most of the "pros" are hooking up the MBPs to high quality monitors like Lacie 324 or some kind of color accurate monitor. Some of you might be hooking up your MBPs to Wacom Cintiqs.

    Again, your probably going to run your laptop in close mode anyway. I only see this as a problem if you take pictures in the field and need to review them. That glossy screen is not that bad but annoying for those users. Same goes for video people. But apple should have a mattle option.
    I agree there should be a mattle option on this.
    Displayport --> Dvi. I have no idea if it works with the ACD.
  17. clyde2801 macrumors 601


    Mar 6, 2008
    In the land of no hills and red dirt.
    I think if the turtlenecked one stepped out of the aether and stated that 90% of the 15" pros they sold had the glossy display, and it wasn't worth it to differentiate, most of us would understand.
  18. mrtrilby macrumors member

    Jul 23, 2008
    This forum is very useful for educating me as to how I should be operating as a professional. I'm glad to hear that if I were a 'real' professional, I would have no need of lightweight portable kit and could happily cart a MBP and external CRT everywhere. It's also heartening to hear that 'real' professionals don't need to worry about budgets and are more than happy to splash out on a Mac Pro and matte monitor rather than have to put up with a glossy iMac.

    Fortunately I'm not a 'professional', but just happen to make money from photography.
  19. Cheffy Dave macrumors 68030

    Cheffy Dave

    Feb 5, 2007
    Sunny Florida, on the Gulf Coast in Homosassa Fl
    I agree but to quote from another post "The only legitimate point you have it matte screen option. They ideally should give give a choice."
    Maybe they don't to make things cost effective.
    I have 2 BMB's and I adore the screens,(it's what turned my head toward Apple) I do use FW on them for back up Time Machine hard drives, if it wasn't available I'd use USB. Just purchased a 15" MBP for my Daughter, she fell on love with them at the Apple store, she'll never use the FW port. She opted for the MBP based on screen size,15", it's what she had on her Toshiba Satellite that died after 2 years
  20. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Aug 13, 2006
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    DisplayPort isn't something that Apple made up, so the quotation marks are unnecessary. And... that's what the adapter is for. Mini DisplayPort to DVI/VGA. You can use any other display with the new computers, but can only use the LED Cinema Display with the new MacBooks. This makes sense, since they're changing technologies and you can't really expect it to be backwards compatible before the rest of the line has the proper hardware.
  21. ditzy macrumors 68000


    Sep 28, 2007
    I think some of your points are completely valid others are not.

    No firewire on macbooks. - While this is a pain they are not technically a Pro notebook. They are consumer products.
    No Firewire 400 on MBP. - You can get an adapter.
    No Matte option MBP. - Fair point there should be.
    Super glossy acting as mirror. - As I've said there should be a matte option, but to be fair they're no where near as bad as you say that they are. I'm using a glossy iMac right now, I can't see my self in it at all.
    Glossy LED display. - There should be a matte option.
    Display-port. - Absolutely fair point. I don't get why they did this.
  22. iMacmatician macrumors 601

    Jul 20, 2008
    I will wait for the Nehalem Mac Pro before making a judgment on this matter.

    I haven't really considered the MacBook Pros to be that "pro" anyway.
  23. Horst Guest

    Jan 10, 2006
    I agree that the OP's points have been discussed in length, but I for one welcome any discussion on the matter ;) .

    And I'm wondering as well if Apple does care about Audio/Video/Photography professionals any longer.

    I'm still flabbergasted when I see the iPod and iPhone sections of an apple forum above the hardware discussions, as it is here and at Apple ... :rolleyes:

    - Matte vs. glossy : each his own. When shooting in a bright environment, glossy can even have an advantage as it minimizes diffusion .
    If, however, the ACDs go glossy, it is in my opinion not possible to calibrate them for a proper display-print workflow.
    They are not that great 'pro' monitors right now, but get the job done.

    - Firewire: I don't know much about Audio, but afaik many Video devices depend on it.
    All digital camera backs depend on it for tethered shooting.

    -'Professional' : I'm a 1-man company, doing ok, but not getting rich.
    With my last photography equipment purchase, an MBP and a 20" ACD came for free, just too sweeten the deal.
    Point being, if one can't afford decent tools, he's not in the business yet.

    It's a free internet, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it's getting old to discuss with people who have no real experience with even the basic standards; e.g. for photography long-time experience with decent desktop machines and portables, good printers, several displays, and hardware calibration of a high quality workflow.
  24. vga4life macrumors 6502

    Jun 16, 2004
    I think it is pretty clear that they do not. The writing is on the wall with 64-bit support in CS4 on Windows that Adobe is thinking the same thing.

    Apple is a high-end lifestyle brand for consumers. That someone might use one of its computers in a professional capacity seems to be an afterthought for Apple. (Certainly this is not necessarily new - Apple has always sucked at enterprise support, where Microsoft has always taken business users seriously.)

    I'm waiting for the inevitable spinoff or sale of the pro applications group as the final sign that Apple is now exclusively a maker of slick packaged media players and overpriced internet appliances.

  25. Topher15 macrumors 6502a


    Oct 22, 2007
    Errrm, maybe you are not aware of Apple's pro products? :rolleyes:

    It's not that Apple are have forgotten about their pro users (after all, if that were the case why would they have a specific 'Pro' line of products) rather it's that most users of their consumer products, specifically the MB, do not require things that the pro's would use, such as firewire. Sure, it would being a good thing to include it for the few consumers who do use it, or even just so all users they have option, but if the majority of MB owners do not use firewire (as I suspect most don't) then it is a good business sense to drop it from the product. That said, in my view for the price of the MB I would think firewire should be standard, but that aside, but I don't think firewire was dropped to save money or because of how much it is (or isn't) used, instead I think it was dropped in order to keep intact the distinction between the MB and MBP lines, which with the latest refresh made them virtually identical in most respects; the MB was virtually a mini-MBP, so it is understandable why Apple had to try to give a reason for people to buy the actual Pro. You can argue the ethics of expecting people to buy the Pro just for firewire when the cost of the MB justifies it being included to begin with, but I understand why they did it, and anyway I doubt anyone would upgrade just for that reason alone.

    As for the screens, I agree that at the very least on the MBP and ACDs Apple should offer the choice of glossy or matte. I don't know why they don't but I suspect they want to have a uniform production in order to reduce costs. Anyway as others have said, if it is really an issue than just buy another display.

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