Has even 'hope' been abandoned?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by AidenShaw, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. AidenShaw macrumors P6


    Feb 8, 2003
    The Peninsula
    Have y'all noticed that since the MacWorld SF 2018 event last week that didn't have even a peep about the mMP 2021 - there has been very little activity on the various "MP 7,1" threads?

    Have people simply given up hope?
  2. bookemdano, Jun 13, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018

    bookemdano macrumors 65816

    Jul 29, 2011
    MacWorld SF? LOL that hasn't been held since 2014.

    It was WWDC in San Jose, "Worldwide Developers Conference". It's a software-focused event. Not that they've never intro'd new hardware there before but they normally don't. The June event is always to talk about MacOS and iOS (and the various iOS offshoots).

    September is when they may talk about mMP. It was always incredibly unlikely they'd mention it during the WWDC keynote.

    Edit: and to your point about people not posting in the 7,1 threads, I think we are all sort of distracted right now with the new life breathed into the 5,1 platform--both officially by Apple giving it Mojave support (albeit with an air of mystery about what metal card(s) they're going to recommend), and unofficially with the amazing work by some folks here of injecting drivers for NVMe and perhaps other stuff along with updated Microcode into the firmware. After a few boring years for the platform, the 4,1/5,1 are pretty interesting machines to own in 2018.
  3. jscipione macrumors member


    Mar 27, 2017
    No reason to lose hope, WWDC has usually been a software focused event, and we were pre-warned that the Mac Pro will be a 2019 thing. Clearly Apple is planning on releasing Macs later this year. Bloomberg reported that "Apple is working on ‘at least’ three new models with accompanying Apple-designed silicon, including two laptops and a new desktop." [0] I'm assuming Macbook, Macbook Pro and iMac all coming later this year with T2 chip like the one found in the iMac Pro. Cheaper Macbook Air without T2 chip is also still possible, Mac Mini sadly does not seem to be happening. :/

    [0] https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/29/bloo...coprocessors-in-development-new-ipad-in-fall/
  4. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a


    Jun 13, 2004
    There is always hope because the mMP is just beyond the horizon! :p

  5. Zenithal macrumors 603

    Sep 10, 2009
  6. h9826790 macrumors G4


    Apr 3, 2014
    Hong Kong
  7. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    I'm outsider looking on. I recall apple stating a modular Mac Pro is coming, I thought they said 2019. I think many people were hoping for 2018, but apple takes there time. The issue is many people who resisted the trash can Mac Pro need something sooner then later. Its my opinion that Apple is in a self made bind right now

    Consider the lay of the land for Macs.
    Mac mini 1,337 days since its last refresh
    MacBook Air 337 days, but that was a minor spec bump. It needs so much more, that machine is woefully behind other laptops, i.e., no retina
    MacBook Pro 374 days but in this case the keyboard has an extremely poor reputation, there's three class action lawsuits, the TouchBar is much derided.
    Macbook 374 days, its probably the most stable of Macs at this point.
    iMac 374 days - People are waiting for a redesign, current model does not have current ports
    iMac Pro 182 days

    So Apple's Macintosh line is in rough shape, every model (with the exception of the MacBook and iMac Pro). While some of that work isn't rocket surgery, i.e., update the Mini, I think line up is in such bad shape and require so much attention its impacting Apple's timeline with the Mac Pro.

    Are people sitting on the sidelines or moving on and buying windows based products? I'd say as weeks turned into months, that turn into years, they're moving on to other products. I myself am considering a windows based laptop. Apple didn't update the MBP and given the keyboard issues and high price of the MBP it appears I'll be better off with a windows machine. Just consider the budget. I can spend 3,000 on a MacBook Pro that has a suspect keyboard, and its on last year's chipset, or I can spend 2,000 dollars (plus tax) on a Coffee Lake hex core machine and I'll not have to worry about the keyboard. I raise that issue because its a microcosm of what people are facing with Macs, whether its the MBA, Mini or the Mac Pro.
  8. tsialex macrumors 68030


    Jun 13, 2016
    A long these lines, I think that until Intel restarts really improving single core performance and not only adding cores, I could go on with my Mac Pros. 10 years and not yet doubled single core performance.

    Perspective is a lot better, now that we can get cheap and big NVMe drives and at least one more year of official macOS support.
  9. pat500000 macrumors G3


    Jun 3, 2015
    The biggest problem isn’t the hardwares...it’s the software.
  10. chrfr macrumors 604

    Jul 11, 2009
    The MacBook has the same keyboard issues that the MacBook Pros do.
  11. nigelbb macrumors 65816

    Dec 22, 2012
    How true. The fastest 3.2GHz Xeon in a 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 benchmarks at 1365 single threaded whereas the fastest newest Kaby Lake i7 benchmarks at 2622 which is only a 92% performance improvement in 10 years.
  12. mikeboss macrumors 65816


    Aug 13, 2009
    huh? my iMac 2017 (base model) has a single thread score of 5093.
  13. rjtiedeman macrumors 6502

    Nov 29, 2010
    Stamford, CT
    I am still on hold waiting. I almost switched to a Imac Pro but after reading posts in the Imac forum I have been holding back do to potential new product quality issues and the inability of Apple Tech to do repairs on the new $7000 machine. Thinking of using the money to get a new car instead.
    Lost Hope.
  14. kschendel macrumors 6502a

    Dec 9, 2014
    IMO the various 7,1 threads are mostly echo chambers where people argue around in continuously decreasing circles. :) Not very interesting.

    I was very interested in the mMP, but after taking a realistic look at how much time I spend in OS/X on my cMP (essentially none), and given the ridiculous price advantage for minimal performance loss of the latest AMD CPU's, I suspect I'll end up building my own cMP replacement for $2300 or so. (I could do it for a lot less but I want a super quiet machine.) The money saved will go into replacing the house iMac which is still doing yeoman duty, but turns 10 next year.

    And if the mMP turns out to be too good to pass up, the AMD build can become a cluster node next to the cMP...
  15. rjtiedeman macrumors 6502

    Nov 29, 2010
    Stamford, CT
    I expect that Apple will close the door on fake-macs running the new OS with the up-coming version of dark-mode. I would also sell any stock in third party mac accessory suppliers because the upgrades that have kept my cMac Pro running are not welcome in the new closed box cpus. Even the VESA mount is an issue on the Imac pro. Love or leave it.
    Lost Hope
  16. barmann macrumors 6502a

    Oct 25, 2010

    I mostly agree, but would argue the MBA is the best, if slightly overpriced option in its segment .
    Old KB, magsafe, more ports than the MB .

    I desperatly need a new MBP , but can't possibly buy one with touch bar, the faulty KB, lack of ports, and no magsafe adds insult to injury .

    As for the Mac Pro, and as far as I'm concerned, Apple should at least have mentioned it at the WWDC .
    Just to give people something to moan about and keep speculating . They discussed hardware before at these events .

    As it is now, there is not much to talk about for Mac aficionados, after being met with thundering silence at a major Apple event .

    As for software, that's been an issue for years ; OS X became a deathtrap when backwards compatibility of both the OS and Macs jumped off the cliff after Mavericks .

    Who wants to develop for that, or even keep up with it, when OSX stops supporting older versions of a program every other day, AND people can't run older OSX versions on new Macs ?

    As a consequence, you can dump a few old apps, repay and relearn the newer versions of some, hack the latest OSX back to where it doesn't bother you too much - or get a Windows machine for less money and the same headache now, but less of both down the road .

    Leave it to Apple to mess up your workflow, with their iStyle approach .
  17. pl1984 macrumors 68000

    Oct 31, 2017
    Aiden wasn't inquiring about the release of the mMP at WWDC but rather the complete lack of any information about it at WWDC. Back in April 2017 Apple said there's going to be a new Mac Pro. Now it's "Not before 2019". How about giving us some idea of what this new modular Mac Pro is going to be? The silence about this product is deafening.

    Any professional who relies on the Mac Pro is an idiot. No ands, ifs, or buts about it.
  18. kschendel macrumors 6502a

    Dec 9, 2014
    Now, now. Maybe you're assuming content creation of some sort. I can assure you that a cMP keeps me gainfully employed with ample capability and stellar reliability (I've had exactly one failure in not quite 9 years, and that was an infant mortality disk drive). Any professional that would refuse to use something entirely satisfactory just because the vendor hasn't talked about an update, is an idiot.

    I wouldn't even be thinking about a new machine except for the confluence of massively better price/performance via AMD, and a helping of unexpected cash in the bank.
  19. kohlson macrumors 68000

    Apr 23, 2010
    Perhaps the Kaby Lake G is the bright spot on the horizon? Integrated GPU that is essentially an RX 580.
  20. pl1984 macrumors 68000

    Oct 31, 2017
    I would argue that, using a cMP, you're not reliant on a Mac Pro. Instead you've decided to use a Mac Pro.
  21. AidenShaw thread starter macrumors P6


    Feb 8, 2003
    The Peninsula
    It isn't meant to be cheeky - it's a comment on what seems to be a real change of mood on the posts here.

    To the point, is h9826790's brief comment - "I don't really care now" doesn't sound like hope is alive.

    The longer that Apple goes without talking about the MP7,1 - the more people may think that it will be a proprietary mess, AKA Cube 3.0.

    Bright spot for people happy with GTX 1050 performance - dark storm cloud for people who want Volta.
  22. Glmnet1 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 21, 2017
    Might be fine for a 15" MBP but has nothing to do with the Mac Pro.
  23. singhs.apps macrumors 6502

    Oct 27, 2016
    Don’t care at this point. The 32 core threadripper is the perfect big of my little+ big setup planned and running windows (no hackintosh stuff. Mac OS isn’t worth the hassle ) to go with the cintiq 32 + nvidia 1180/2080s/1080tis

    I am still in the hunt for laptops that can match the quality of the MBAs though .. maybe the surface lineup or something from HP that can push 64 GB ram.
  24. AidenShaw, Jun 14, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2018

    AidenShaw thread starter macrumors P6


    Feb 8, 2003
    The Peninsula
    Do look at the Lenovo laptops - especially the T series (up to 24 GiB RAM) and P series (up to 64 GiB RAM).

    And to say you want something "that can push 64 GB ram" is laughable when you compare it to the MBA that has 8 GiB of soldered RAM.
  25. singhs.apps macrumors 6502

    Oct 27, 2016
    Not when the reason to look away IS Ram capacity amongst others ( actually could have lived with the 16GB MBP current with a poss 32 version later this year IF there was a Mac Pro ) so why not take advantage of the more robust capacities of Windows HW. Great fallback workhorse on the go.

    Also meant MBPs. Sorry for the confusion.

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