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I'm wondering with streaming has it killed sci-fi shows and lowered the quality.

Most sci-fi shows don’t make it past the 4 season today and most only have like 10 episodes or so per season compared to the 25 or 20 episode before per season.
 
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Most sci-fi shows don’t make it past the 4 season today and most only have like 10 episodes or so per season compared to the 25 or 20 episode before per season.
I think the watershed moment for the short season and long-form (vs. episodic) storytelling was Game of Thrones - which AFAIK started on premium cable a few years before streaming really went big. Similarly for The Expanse (which I think was partly motivated by GoT). Both of those shows really upped the ante for TV SciFi production values. Possibly, sales of DVD/BR "box sets" helped encourage the use of more complex plots that rewarded a re-watch. That's also encouraged a lot more books to be adapted into series.

...and the move towards serial rather than episodic shows probably started back with Babylon 5 - especially with the 4th season where they expected to be cancelled and condensed the planned 4th and 5th seasons into one very serialised season (which really worked well). I think that demonstrated that long-form story arcs work best without all those self-contained story-of-the-week filler episodes.

So maybe we just had a brief golden age just as streaming was starting to appear. I'd rate The Expanse and Black Mirror (which were dropped by broadcast/cable and "saved" by streaming) as outstanding shows, so we might expect a bit of "reversion to the mean" here. Then there's things like Severance and Pluribus which are so love/hate that I wonder if they'd ever have been made without Apple being prepared to make "art house" sci-fi shows for streaming.

As for only lasting 3-4 seasons, beware "nostalgia isn't what it used to be" and let us not forget... well, I'll let Peter say it:


Not forgetting:
Space - Above and Beyond
Dark Skies
Dark Matter (The Firefly-esque space opera, not the AppleTV one)
...and, of course, the original Star Trek!

Meanwhile, we'll never know what fantastic shows like GoT and Stranger Things would have been like if they'd lasted more than 3-4 seasons - perhaps it was better to finish on a high and leave us wanting more? ;-) (...and, seriously, I think it would be a huge mistake not to conclude Severance with S3).

However, I do think one owned-by-streaming problem is the 2-3 year delay between seasons. I can see how that happens, when you have movie production values you're gonne get movie timescales - but movies are usually self-contained (and movies with ongoing plots - like LoTR, Matrix 2/3, the last few Harry Potters - are often made back-to-back), but it really throws away momentum and makes viewers forget the plot. By the time season 2 of Pluribus drops I'll have forgotten half of it and will need to re-watch S1 - which people are not going to do if they were less than totally enthralled by it first time round. Plus, by then, everybody will be raving about Neuromancer or something else, actors and writers will have gotten gainful employment elsewhere etc. etc.
 
I would ask why do you want a series to go beyond 4 seasons? An important part of any good story is the ending. Shows that drag on and on eventually just wither and die. But if you have a show that has a solid start, middle and end over 3 or 4 seasons that is like perfection in my opinion for a series. The other way is to do it like the Brits seem to do. The show Luther is an example of this, they do not just come out one season after another, there can be huge breaks between the seasons. To me this is saying they only produce something when they have a story and are not just shoveling it out for the masses to pull in as much revenue as possible.
 
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I would ask why do you want a series to go beyond 4 seasons? An important part of any good story is the ending. Shows that drag on and on eventually just wither and die. But if you have a show that has a solid start, middle and end over 3 or 4 seasons that is like perfection in my opinion for a series. The other way is to do it like the Brits seem to do. The show Luther is an example of this, they do not just come out one season after another, there can be huge breaks between the seasons. To me this is saying they only produce something when they have a story and are not just shoveling it out for the masses to pull in as much revenue as possible.

Sci-fi show like the X-files or Fringe did really well with 200 episodes. So did lot of other Sci-fi shows when episode was story arc where each episode had different story.
 
I find some of these shows stay around too long. Some times one or two seasons is just enough. Hard to tell whether a series is better than simply a sequel is the way to go with these shows.
 
Sci-fi show like the X-files or Fringe did really well with 200 episodes. So did lot of other Sci-fi shows when episode was story arc where each episode had different story.
I am bored with Stranger Things and Umbrella Academy.
 
I find some of these shows stay around too long. Some times one or two seasons is just enough. Hard to tell whether a series is better than simply a sequel is the way to go with these shows.

The 80s, 90s and 2000s had better story writing.

Take Star Trek discovery not has good has older star trek shows.
 
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