Have you ever intentionally killed something?

[fivepoint]

Simple. Those raised on a farm grow up watching their parents slaughter animals; therefore, they don't find fault with it. Additionally, those who choose to work on a farm as adults obviously aren't going to have issues killing animals: it's a self-selected sample.

Just because one is educated with respect to animal husbandry doesn't make them any more or less authoritative on the moral aspects of animal farming; in fact, one might argue that their opinion is more biased and therefore less valid.

I grew up on a farm, and I would have to say my perspective is exactly the opposite. Unlike many people, I know where my meat comes from... I've seen slaughter take place... I respect the process and respect the animals.

The vast majority of vegetarians I've met and have had conversations are generally ignorant in regards to the industry. Most have never been to a farm, touched a market animal, or even know what the process involves. Their opinions are based on nothing more than 'feelings' and videos they've seen on the internet providing wildly skewed and manipulative information to the weak minded.

I'm not saying all of them are like this... far from it. And I do respect the vegetarians who make an EDUCATED moral choice. I just don't have much respect for those who cast judgement on others without even knowing what the heck they're talking about.

those posts were not contradictory at all

i eat my elk. i dont kill it and just leave the carcass to rot

Some people would probably say that is incredibly wasteful since you're not using the organs, bones, hooves, skin, etc. like they do with market animals. It's a sliding scale I guess.

 

[rdowns]

Aside of some bugs, the only other thing I've ever killed was a thread.

 

[iJohnHenry]

Some people would probably say that is incredibly wasteful since you're not using the organs, bones, hooves, skin, etc. like they do with market animals. It's a sliding scale I guess.

I expect that only the Human consumer misses out on that alleged oversight.

Mother Nature will take good care of anything left in the bush after field dressing a kill.

Aside of some bugs, the only other thing I've ever killed was a thread.

skunk already tried-out for that position in this thread, without success.

Perhaps you will fair better??

 

[fivepoint]

I expect that only the Human consumer misses out on that alleged oversight.

Mother Nature will take good care of anything left in the bush after field dressing a kill.

Then I suppose 'shooting for fun' is actually ok since Mother Nature will take care of it? Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit.

Also, what If I shoot a coyote... but I knew damn well it would have eaten at least 10 rabbits and maybe a baby deer or two during the winter? Did I just kill an innocent animal, or save 12?

 

[dukebound85]

Then I suppose 'shooting for fun' is actually ok since Mother Nature will take care of it? Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit.

Also, what If I shoot a coyote... but I knew damn well it would have eaten at least 10 rabbits and maybe a baby deer or two during the winter? Did I just kill an innocent animal, or save 12?

well lets just kill all predetaory animals by that logic......

bad scenario

 

[fivepoint]

well lets just kill all predetaory animals by that logic......

bad scenario

Do you think that's what I'm suggesting? Really, I'm not suggesting anything... again, just playing Devil's Advocate and seeing what the responses are.

 

[iJohnHenry]

Then I suppose 'shooting for fun' is actually ok since Mother Nature will take care of it? Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit.

Also, what If I shoot a coyote... but I knew damn well it would have eaten at least 10 rabbits and maybe a baby deer or two during the winter? Did I just kill an innocent animal, or save 12?

Get real. I was just addressing the one point about waste. Hunting for food has been done forever.

Personally, I don't hunt, and never have.

well lets just kill all predetaory animals by that logic......

bad scenario

Agreed. If the beast is threatening your livestock, then he must "go".

Do you think that's what I'm suggesting? Really, I'm not suggesting anything... again, just playing Devil's Advocate and seeing what the responses are.

Provocateur!!

 

[dukebound85]

Do you think that's what I'm suggesting? Really, I'm not suggesting anything... again, just playing Devil's Advocate and seeing what the responses are.

lol no i know you arent suggesting that but you did raise the point id say

 

[SydneyDev]

I have been hunting and fishing. We always kill the animal quickly and don't waste it. I have never killed anything in a "sadistic" way.

 

[EricNau]

I grew up on a farm, and I would have to say my perspective is exactly the opposite. Unlike many people, I know where my meat comes from... I've seen slaughter take place... I respect the process and respect the animals.

The vast majority of vegetarians I've met and have had conversations are generally ignorant in regards to the industry. Most have never been to a farm, touched a market animal, or even know what the process involves. Their opinions are based on nothing more than 'feelings' and videos they've seen on the internet providing wildly skewed and manipulative information to the weak minded.

I'm not saying all of them are like this... far from it. And I do respect the vegetarians who make an EDUCATED moral choice. I just don't have much respect for those who cast judgement on others without even knowing what the heck they're talking about.

Not sure I follow. Must one have an intimate relationship with the slaughtering process to know they don't want to kill animals for food?

Vegetarians/vegans obviously aren't going to work on a farm that kills animals. It's a biased (self-selected) group, not a random sample of society.

I'll agree that many vegetarians may have an unfair view of the slaughtering process, but that has no bearing on why farm workers don't mind eating meat.