HD Music Streaming?

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Anyone else thinks Apple might start offering HD music streaming. Wouldn’t that make sense if they have fairly pricy over the ear headphones in the pipeline (according to the rumours).

“Audiophile” quality music for the masses maybe.
 
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AidenShaw

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To do that, Apple would have to admit that Jobs was lying when he said that 160Kbps MP3 was high quality.

 
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To do that, Apple would have to admit that Jobs was lying when he said that 160Kbps MP3 was high quality.

They‘ve been making iPhones larger than 4” (since Jobs said that’s the most people will need).

Times change.

I want my HD audio, with a Bluetooth codec in iPhones that support it, & a data plan that can handle it....Right now, I’m asking too much.
 

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Apple doesn't have to admit anything..... The past is done. Time to break that link between Apple and what Steve said as a 'holdback'

But if Apple were to do HD music streaming (aka Apple music) or other,, then customers would pay the price... I couldn't see the same price tag, as Apple would loose money.

Once you get to higher prices though, you get to that battle when people may not wanna pay anyway, which i always argue as why HD music has not taken off.
 

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Anyone else thinks Apple might start offering HD music streaming. Wouldn’t that make sense if they have fairly pricy over the ear headphones in the pipeline (according to the rumours).

“Audiophile” quality music for the masses maybe.
Amazon has recently hopped on the HD bandwagon. However, don't hold your breath to see Apple to follow suit, as no iPhone supports above 24/48 quality, and no one will hear a difference on ear/airpods between CD (16/44) and iTunes/Apple Music 256 encodes.
 

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However, don't hold your breath to see Apple to follow suit, as no iPhone supports above 24/48 quality, and no one will hear a difference on ear/airpods between CD (16/44) and iTunes/Apple Music 256 encodes.
Not true. iOS 13 can support 24/192 lossless stream to any digital to analog converter using a 3rd party streaming app such as Qobuz. However, the majority of people stream using Bluetooth so there's absolutely no point of HD streaming as the stream is converted to AAC codec anyways
 
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I got the one month Tidal trial which included the hifi/master quality version and could really tell the difference over the compressed streaming of their own and other services. For my purposes (reference track comparison in my studio) I think the price (about double the others) is going to be worth it.
 

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Tidal would be your best bet for HD audio streaming, but tbh I'd recommend just pirating the music and converting to ALAC(Apple Loseless Audio Codec) for an iPhone, or keeping it FLAC if you use Windows/Android.
 
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Anyone else thinks Apple might start offering HD music streaming. Wouldn’t that make sense if they have fairly pricy over the ear headphones in the pipeline (according to the rumours).

“Audiophile” quality music for the masses maybe.
I'd agree. We may this Apple Music and iTunes/Music app support purchasing and direct download of HD music (over 992kbps bit rates in Apple Lossless or FLAC when the Apple over-hear 'Pro' headphones debut later this year. Also considering the HomePod does support HD music.

Apple HomePod Audio Formats
HE-AAC (V1), AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Apple Lossless, AIFF, WAV and FLAC2
I've tried Spotify for the first time this month ... other than relative music suggestions I don't see the hype over Apple Music (currently)


Not true. iOS 13 can support 24/192 lossless stream to any digital to analog converter using a 3rd party streaming app such as Qobuz. However, the majority of people stream using Bluetooth so there's absolutely no point of HD streaming as the stream is converted to AAC codec anyways
Therein lies the issue.

While Sony has LDAC (992Kbps bit rate over Bluetooth - supported since Bluetooth 2.0+EDR) as a better alternative to AptX-HD (55x kbps bit rate), we need to know which iPhone hardware model supports streaming at larger bit rates and is it 24/44.1 bits. Sure my ears (47) may not hear anything at 12/15hz (or is it kilohertz I'm not sure ... think Teenbuzz test LMAO) Some music with great speakers ... you can just feel extremely low bass (bass bins).

This is why I'm praying for Apple to do three things:
1. iTunes & Apple Music (download/streaming respectively) for music!
2. iPhone's (since Apple iPhone 7 onward) to support up to 44.1Hz and over 1500kbps (please)
3. HomePod line of speakers - a Soundbar, a dedicated Bass woofer (8-12" cone size), and smaller dedicated tweeters!
(ability to pair these into a 5.1 channel setup)
This could allow Apple to get into the car audio market too as a nice benefit ... after all they do make 'consumer electronics' not just computers.
 
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I'd agree. We may this Apple Music and iTunes/Music app support purchasing and direct download of HD music (over 992kbps bit rates in Apple Lossless or FLAC when the Apple over-hear 'Pro' headphones debut later this year. Also considering the HomePod does support HD music.
Currently, lossless CD quality music at 16/44.1 is supported through Airplay. Wouldn't really call it HD music unless it's beyond CD or DVD quality (16/48 KHz)

While Sony has LDAC (992Kbps bit rate over Bluetooth - supported since Bluetooth 2.0+EDR) as a better alternative to AptX-HD (55x kbps bit rate), we need to know which iPhone hardware model supports streaming at larger bit rates and is it 24/44.1 bits. Sure my ears (47) may not hear anything at 12/15hz (or is it kilohertz I'm not sure ... think Teenbuzz test LMAO) Some music with great speakers ... you can just feel extremely low bass (bass bins).
Unfortunately Bluetooth doesn't even come close to what WiFi can deliver straight from iOS 13. Current 3rd party iOS app can deliver 1 bit 22.5 MHz streaming or DSD512 (or 45,158.4 kbps audio stream, much bigger than 992 kbps offered by LDAC)

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This is why I'm praying for Apple to do three things:
1. iTunes & Apple Music (download/streaming respectively) for music!
2. iPhone's (since Apple iPhone 7 onward) to support up to 44.1Hz and over 1500kbps (please)
3. HomePod line of speakers - a Soundbar, a dedicated Bass woofer (8-12" cone size), and smaller dedicated tweeters!
(ability to pair these into a 5.1 channel setup)
This could allow Apple to get into the car audio market too as a nice benefit ... after all they do make 'consumer electronics' not just computers.
1.) Currently only Apple and Spotify are the only streaming services that don't offer lossless CD quality, let alone DSD streaming which none of the streaming services on the market actually offer. From Apple's POV, music streaming isn't as profitable as iPhone itself so I don't see them switching to lossless in any foreseeable future.
2.) Bluetooth needs to get to around 7000 kbps bandwidth (overhead is accounted) with enough range to support true hi-res 24/192 lossless stream. 1500 kbps might support some 24/44.1 tracks, but some of those tracks can exceed that based on how much information the song contains, and that 24/44.1 uncompressed is actually 2117 kbps.
3.) Competition here is fierce, but I do hope Apple makes a concept of that for a modern living room look :) As for car audio, Apple has to prove that they can compete against the likes of Bowers and Wilkins, Bose, JBL Premium, KEF and Meridian Audio for car audio. Tough market to get into to be honest.
 
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