i have never owned an ipod. I got an create zen touch back when competitors were significantly cheaper than apple and gave better specs, and have never really seen a need to upgrade. the 20Gb hard drive has held all the music i have, and the battery lasts forever. when the ipod touch came out i finally saw a device that would really be beneficial to upgrade to. The large screen would make it worth it to watch videos, and the internet is obviously hugely useful. But I could never understand the capacity thing. Why oh why would you create a widescreen video ipod that has just enough memory to hold nothing? Can anyone explain to me why there is such a thing as an "ipod classic"? Why on earth would apple not not simply offer an HDD version and SSD version of the ipod touch? It really seems like apple is sacrificing extreme usefulness for the sole reason of their insane fetish for ultra-slim electronics. The ipod touch is 0.31" thick. the ipod classic is 0.41" and 0.53" for the 80 and 160 GB versions respectfully. Thats a full 66% more thickness between the touch and the classes. If there is this much room it would obviously be possible to incorporate an HDD without the touch being too big. for me 32GB is just starting to be reasonable, and I not about to shell out what apple is asking for barely reasonable. I think there are many people like me who dont like having to manage their media every night to prepare for the next day. It seems like a 160GB ipod touch would be the end-all portable media device, but instead we have a product that isnt even worth upgrading my 4 year old b&w liquid crystal creative zen for. With this technology being so new and expensive (although not quite as expensive as apple would lead you to believe) why would apple decide to throw away what would be such a great device? Or is that the reason right there? Is apple actually doing this because they know that someone with a 160GB ipod touch would not have to upgrade for years and years?