I'm still not impressed or by any of these HDR standards. when I got my first tv that had it I expected to be wowed but I can't really tell much of a Dif when its on or off🤷♂️🤷♂️
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HDR10+ Support Not Coming to Apple TV App in iOS 16 and macOS Ventura After All?
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HDR requires a very good TV with a very high luminance output to be able to reap its benefits. Just because it has an HDR sticker on it doesn't mean it's actually HDR capable.
HDR10+ is just a knockoff, trashy shadow of Dolby Vision, and nobody should be releasing movies and shows in HDR10+.
Sounds like you don't have an actual HDR TV, but rather a normal TV that's marketed as HDR by television manufacturers (which is all too common, unfortunately).
To be fair, Samsung is likely more visible because it supports HDR10+ exclusively on its TVs.
HDR10+ as a standard is bigger than Samsung, though.
Amazon, 20th Century Fox, Panasonic, and Samsung together updated the base universal HDR10, which Apple supports.
Apple just never implemented the update.
HDR10+ has relatively wide backing: Blackmagic, Arm Ltd., Onkyo, Broadcom, Google, Plex, Qualcomm, Technicolor, Warner Brothers, Mediatek, Unisoc, etc.
Samsung is more visible because Samsung created it after a spat with Dolby over a $3 per tv license. It is NOT an update to HDR10, which is created and maintained by the CTA. It’s name is like HD DVD - unrelated to what the name leads you to believe.
20th Century no longer uses it. And Dolby Vision also carries the base HDR10 data on its payload. Your comment reads like a copy/paste of a Wikipedia page that hasn’t been updated since 2017. It’s Samsung, Amazon and Paramount+. Warner on movies. And Hulu when it carries some Warner movies. Panasonic, Hisense and TCL have it, but they each also have DV.
To be fair, I think HDR10+ is just silly.
HDR10+ was primarily funded and created by Samsung as a move against Dolby. HDR10 was created by Consumer Technology Assocation and it was neither consulted nor involved in the creation of HDR10+.
HDR10+ more or less replicates Dolby Vision (just as Samsung's smart phones copied iPhone), and contrary to common understanding, it requires manufacturers to pay them an annual fee ($2,500 to $10,000). To be fair, this fee is dramatically cheaper than Dolby Vision (about $2 per hardware).
Since HDR10+ is largely identical to Dolby Vision and every single modern TV sets with HDR10+ (other than Samsung's) also has Dolby Vision, it is essentially redundant and unnecessary standard.
HDR is mainly about 3 things:
- Saturated, vibrant color: Displays capable of wide color gamut (10-bit, although the spec calls for 12-bit). Quantum displays are particularly great at rendering vibrant color.
- Deep blacks and contrast: Local dimming with many zones (e.g., mini LED or XDR), or ideally OLED or micro LED.
- Bright highlights: Capable of very bright highlights, at least 600 nits, preferably higher than 1000 nits.
Sounds like a licensing issue more than anything. Maybe they prematurely announced it before a deal was struck.
Everything you just said but put on Samsung for refusing to support DV. I can’t fault Apple for supporting the better more popular format. I can blame Samsung for refusing to support a format they don’t control. HDR10+ vs DV is just this generation's BR vs HDDVD.
I didn’t miss it. I said HDR10+ by its existence fragments the market. Most, if not all of those movies would be DV if Samsung put DV on their TVs. Samsung wants to sell their DV-less tv and control the HDR format. That makes them worse than Apple because Samsung has a vested interest in the popularity of the format. Apple just wants to give its users the optimal experience, and choice is not always best for people. The best way Apple can do that is to pick a side.
And as far as your examples go...
Hulu, Paramount+, Google Play, and Prime all support Dolby Vision. The only one on your list that doesn't support DV is YouTube, which also doesn't support 5.1 surround sound.
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If it supports Dolby Vision, it supports the latest generation high dynamic range technology and it does not need HDR+.
Dolby could help end this minor format war by making the standard free and saving us all a headache. Of course they won't do that because they want to make money (the consumer is a secondary concern, they didn't develop this technology out of the goodness of their hearts). What we need is a royalty free dynamic HDR standard, and at the moment the closest thing we have to that is HDR10+. Personally I don't know why the committee who implemented the HDR standard don't just release a dynamic version opensource/royalty free and put this annoyance to rest, it seems rather short sighted of them.
Seeing, as far as I am aware, that HDR10+ can be implemented in software, it would have been considerate of Apple to support both formats for the sake of their customers.
Seeing, as far as I am aware, that HDR10+ can be implemented in software, it would have been considerate of Apple to support both formats for the sake of their customers.
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Then why not support it? Whether or not you do not like it is irrelevant but I want my equipment to support every standard it can.
So everyone here is talking about televisions, but the article is about HDR10+ support on an iPhone, iPad or a Mac, not a television. Do we really care that when watching a movie on a tiny screen in less-than-optimal conditions that it isn't in HDR10+?
Unfortunately, this is not true. As others have pointed out HDR10+ is basically an alternative to Dolby Vision. For example, Prime Video supports HDR10+, if your TV does not support that, it defaults to HDR10 and not Dolby Vision.
It's silly that this format was even created, and it is was created because Samsung didn't want to pay to license Dolby Vision. It further segments the market for no reason at all.
That’s bad. Hopefully Apple brings it back in the next beta version.
I have a new LG OLED. doesnt get much better.... but I'm not like wow going from HDR to dolby vision
Very little content available via streaming services is actually in 4K, much less 4K HDR. And when it is available, the content maker might not have done a good job of creating it. The guy who originally posted he could not tell the difference might be thinking he is watching 4K HDR even though most of what he is likely watching isn't HDR, and most of it isn't even 4K. Just because one has a 4K HDR capable TV doesn't mean that everything gets magically converted to 4K HDR, but some people are under that incorrect assumption. Such is the power of marketing! Most content on streaming services is still HD SDR. A 4K HDR TV can't magically make HD SDR content look like 4K HDR.