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According to a video Brian Tong just posted going over the various Vision Pro settings, the Mac virtual display currently only works with Apple Silicon MacBook and MacBook Pro’s. It does not work with Mac Studio, Mac Mini, etc. That’s a bummer as I have a Mac Studio M2 I was hoping to use with my Vision Pro. Hopefully desktop Mac support gets added in an update.


This has to be an early limitation. There is no logical reason why an Apple Silicon Mac mini, Mac Studio, Mac Pro and/or iMac can't utilise the Apple Vision Pro when Apple Silicon MacBook Air and MacBook Pro can.

Might be that the Apple Vision Pro relies on replicating the display, meaning you will have to have a DisplayPort or HDMI dummy input spoofing your Mac to think it has a 4K@60Hz monitor connected. But this is something Apple should be able to do in software. And it doesn't look like running a 14-inch MacBook Pro on Apple Vision Pro is constrained to using the same aspect ratio or anything as the physical display, so there doesn't seem to be any direct link between it.
 
I'm eager to see how the Apple Vision Pro works with virtual displays. This is the one feature I feel has some great potential. I'm currently using 2x 49-inch 32:9 Super Ultrawide monitors stacked vertically, and they work great, but the Apple Vision Pro should be more flexible and won't take up this massive amount of space in my office.

There are some clear downsides. I will be limited to the Apple ecosystem as there are no inputs on the Apple Vision Pro. And even though people claim the Apple Vision Pro gives you a "full 4K" virtual monitor, I'm sceptical about its quality and fidelity. There are no hardware inputs on the device, so it all has to be done wirelessly. The Apple Vision Pro and my MacBook Pro are limited to 802.11ax/WiFi-6 using 2x2. That's only a maximum of 1200 Mbps / 1.2 Gbps under ideal conditions. And this has to be shared with regular wireless usage so even at ideal 1200 Mbps the throughput will be shared with general wireless use, it's not dedicated to the video for the virtual display.

3480x2160 (4K) at 60Hz at 4:2:0 chroma at 8-bits (desktop use is normally 4:4:4) requires 8.16 Gbps. That's 6.8x times the bandwidth WiFi-6 at 2x2 streams can provide under perfect conditions. If we go 4:4:4 it requires 17.82 Gbps. And this is all 8-bit SDR, if we add 10-bit HDR we are talking 11.14 Gbps at 4:2:0 and at 4:4:4 we are talking 22.28 Gbps.

In other words, this all needs some heavy compression and transcoding to work. To avoid a noticeable lag/delay, you have to opt for fast transcoding, which tends to lead to less overall quality. I need to see this to conclude how well it works in real life. Of course, the compression will work much better for static use like spreadsheets, documents, etc. Once you start adding rendering and video, it should begin to show its limitations.

People asking for multiple virtual displays will not see them anytime soon. Since this is all bandwidth-constrained, having 2x 4K@60Hz virtual displays running over WiFi-6 is not feasible.

Of course, there is the issue of eye strain. Working for hours per day with a display wrapped this close to your face might not be good for your health. What effect will it have on your eyesight and your head? Chronic headaches and migraines have already become more frequent with today's use of digital displays throughout most of the day. I can't see how this will make it any better.
Good analysis. I really dislike that Apple does not let the Apple Vision Pro connect to our Mac via cables. Thunderbolt 3/4 has enough bandwidth (with DSC) to support up to 4k 120hz 4:4:4. I know many VR headsets allow wired connection and I don't know what's wrong with Apple.

I am concerned that quality and fidelity may be even worse than that. Apple Vision Pro supports only 90Hz, 96Hz, and 100Hz. If we output 4k 4:4:4 at 100hz, we need around 32.08 Gbps. Even with DSC, we still need far more bandwidth than WIFI-6 offers here. Apple really destroys Apple Vision Pro's potential to be a serious visual desktop by removing wired connection support.
 
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According to a video Brian Tong just posted going over the various Vision Pro settings, the Mac virtual display currently only works with Apple Silicon MacBook and MacBook Pro’s. It does not work with Mac Studio, Mac Mini, etc. That’s a bummer as I have a Mac Studio M2 I was hoping to use with my Vision Pro. Hopefully desktop Mac support gets added in an update.

That is disappointing, no doubt.

So no Macs Pro, Studio or Mini?

I can (just) understand Intel Macs being kicked to the kerb, but no desktop Apple Silicon Macs?
That just seems, dare I say it, petty.

Surely there has to be a work around solution. Even if it entails plugging in a dongle into the Mac…

*sigh*
 
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According to a video Brian Tong just posted going over the various Vision Pro settings, the Mac virtual display currently only works with Apple Silicon MacBook and MacBook Pro’s. It does not work with Mac Studio, Mac Mini, etc. That’s a bummer as I have a Mac Studio M2 I was hoping to use with my Vision Pro. Hopefully desktop Mac support gets added in an update.

Where in this video does it say it only works with MacBooks? Can someone tell me the timestamp -- I don't want to sit through the entire video.

Nothing in the Apple support document suggests that this works only with MacBooks, reading the following page, it sounds like it should work with desktop Macs too.
 
Where in this video does it say it only works with MacBooks? Can someone tell me the timestamp -- I don't want to sit through the entire video.

Nothing in the Apple support document suggests that this works only with MacBooks, reading the following page, it sounds like it should work with desktop Macs too.
Around about here:


It is a disappointment for me…
 
Around about here:


It is a disappointment for me…
Thanks.

It sounds to me like he may have forgotten that there are Mac minis and studios that have Apple silicon? Apple's support page was quite clear that you need an Apple silicon Mac, but doesn't mention anything about needing a MacBook.
 
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That’s weird, Daring Fireballs’s wwdc interview with Craig F mentioned he’d been using it on his Mac Pro…


Thanks.

It sounds to me like he may have forgotten that there are Mac minis and studios that have Apple silicon? Apple's support page was quite clear that you need an Apple silicon Mac, but doesn't mention anything about needing a MacBook.

It is odd and I hope he is wrong.

Waiting for the reviews from MacRumours members.
 
Works fine with my M2 Max Mac Studio. I initially got an error from across the room (and hadn't logged in in a few hours). I logged in, and it worked fine. I disconnected, tried again from across the room, and it was fine there, too.
 
Another interesting tidbit: Apple describes it as like a 4k display. That's probably true in terms of pixels, but the scaling seems much more like my 32-inch 4k monitor than my Studio Display. On the former, I can fit two up documents at workable size with the sidebar in VS Code. The Studio display is a bit small for that, so I usually need to stick to one or turn off the sidebar.

To me, this is better than I expected for work, which is awesome. What I haven't tried is pairing a keyboard and trackpad with the Vision Pro and seeing if it can control a Mac. I suspect not because of a new support doc that mentions the using Mac's keyboard and trackpad, but it would be even better to have that.
 
Works fine with my M2 Max Mac Studio. I initially got an error from across the room (and hadn't logged in in a few hours). I logged in, and it worked fine. I disconnected, tried again from across the room, and it was fine there, too.

How’s the input lag?
Can you game on it?
What resolution do you see in settings?
How far away can you go from the Mac Studio before it disconnects?
Does it look sharp or kinda soft?
Does it work over ethernet if the Mac Studio is connected via ethernet to the local network?
 
Another interesting tidbit: Apple describes it as like a 4k display. That's probably true in terms of pixels, but the scaling seems much more like my 32-inch 4k monitor than my Studio Display. On the former, I can fit two up documents at workable size with the sidebar in VS Code. The Studio display is a bit small for that, so I usually need to stick to one or turn off the sidebar.

To me, this is better than I expected for work, which is awesome. What I haven't tried is pairing a keyboard and trackpad with the Vision Pro and seeing if it can control a Mac. I suspect not because of a new support doc that mentions the using Mac's keyboard and trackpad, but it would be even better to have that.
Really appreciate your insight!!
 
How’s the input lag?
Can you game on it?
What resolution do you see in settings?
How far away can you go from the Mac Studio before it disconnects?
Does it look sharp or kinda soft?
Does it work over ethernet if the Mac Studio is connected via ethernet to the local network?

Not extensive testing, but here's what I have:

  1. I don't think I'm particularly sensitive to input lag, but it seemed fine in my few minutes of testing.
  2. I don't have any games on these Macs to test.
  3. As I recall, Settings shows "2560x1440 (Default)" and that it's mirrored to AVP. That's different than my normal settings (the MBP 16 default scaling).
  4. I haven't tried to stretch it, but it was fine from about 15 feet away (connecting and staying connected).
  5. It's certainly not as sharp as a native display, but it's pretty good. I use a 32-inch 4k display (looks like 3008x1692 scaled, so the same workspace as an XDR), and it looks comparable to that.
  6. My Mac Studio is connected to the network via Ethernet, and it works fine. I'm not sure if it's actually flowing that way or turning on adhoc WiFi like Airdrop does.
 
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@giggles I can game on it with a windows pc and moonlight and everything feels super low latency streaming 4k 120fps and kingdom hearts 3 and assassin’s creed felt snappy and looked so good I haven’t tried hdr yet
 
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Works fine with my M2 Max Mac Studio. I initially got an error from across the room (and hadn't logged in in a few hours). I logged in, and it worked fine. I disconnected, tried again from across the room, and it was fine there, too.

Does it also work without a monitor?

So a M2 Max Mac Studio + AVP (and no external monitor).
 
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