Health data question

Benz63amg

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so when I get my iPhone x I want to start fresh rather than restore from the backup of my iPhone 7 Plus, I have several years of health data In the health app from using an Apple Watch for 2 years and hearth rate data etc and I don’t want to lose all of that health data if I was to set up the iPhone X as new and not restore from a backup

Is it possible to get my health data on the iPhone X if I set up the iPhone X as a new iPhone and not restore from a backup?
 
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dcp10

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Unless I’m mistaken, Health data is stored in iCloud, unless disabled so it should simply transfer when you log into iCloud on the X
 

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Have not tested, as I only have one device that can do iCloud Health App syncs, but as ^^^ states, if you have the sync turned on, should restore that data (new method for backup/sync is to support sync between watches and phones).

To be safe, update iPhone to 11, then do a backup of phone, and make sure iCloud sync of Health is on. If everything works, should be able to retain information as new device. Worst case, restore from the backup.
 

Mlrollin91

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As long as you see health in iCloud when you manage storage, it will restore. I’ve done it a few times now. You will have to repair your watch, but activity and health will restore.
 

Benz63amg

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Is it really beneficial to Set up a new iPhone as new as opposed to restoring from backup on a new iPhone? the thing is that the battery life on my current iPhone 7 Plus is not very good and the OS might be to blame, I restored a backup from my previous iPhone 6S when i got the iPhone 7 plus last year and before the 6S i restored a backup from the iPhone 5 and so the backup has been going on from device to device for sometime now and i'm afraid it might have gotten corrupted over time (if thats possible?) and may be causing the poor battery life, i have many of the battery draining settings and hidden location services disabled and i'm tech savvy when it comes to these things so my iOS configuration is set up properly yet im still expiriencing subpar battery life on the 7 Plus so i think i'll set up the iPhone X i will be getting delivered next week as a new phone rather than restoring from a backup because if the backup is the culrprit i wouldn't want to transfer the issue to the new iPhone X yet again.
 

frou

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Yeah, do a fresh install. It's always been a good thing to do every now and then with any computer in history.

I have done the pulling Health data down from iCloud thing recently and it worked fine.

Just verify that the Health data is definitely in iCloud first. It'll probably be 25-50MB or something like that.
 

Mlrollin91

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I highly recommend setting up the phone as new after that many years of a backup. I try to set up my device a new on e every 2 years, but now that health is separate in the cloud, I will be setting it up as new yearly. I used my Air 2 as a test subject. I originally restored my Air 2 from an iOS 7 backup, then upgraded year after year until iOS 10. I experienced horrendous battery life on iOS 10 with my Air 2. I restored it as new and battery life tripled. This past year, I upgraded to iOS 11 and battery life went down the drain again. Set it up as new, and battery life is back to being fantastic. I can get 20 hours of usage and 72+ hours of stand by per charge, easily.
 

Benz63amg

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Yeah, just do a fresh install. It's always been a good thing to do every now and then with any computer.

I have done the pulling Health data down from iCloud thing recently and it worked fine.
Sounds good, it pulls all of the health data right? ive been using an Apple watch since it first came out (currently have a Series 2) and so theres alot of health data that has accumulated over this time and i wouldn't want to lose all of this health data
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I highly recommend setting up the phone as new after that many years of a backup. I try to set up my device a new on e every 2 years, but now that health is separate in the cloud, I will be setting it up as new yearly. I used my Air 2 as a test subject. I originally restored my Air 2 from an iOS 7 backup, then upgraded year after year until iOS 10. I experienced horrendous battery life on iOS 10 with my Air 2. I restored it as new and battery life tripled. This past year, I upgraded to iOS 11 and battery life went down the drain again. Set it up as new, and battery life is back to being fantastic. I can get 20 hours of usage and 72+ hours of stand by per charge, easily.
Thats incredible, i'm also expiriencing extremely terrible battery life on my iPhone 7 Plus and i guess i was right that its the backup to blame so i will be setting up the iPhone X as new next week.
 

frou

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Sounds good, it pulls all of the health data right? ive been using an Apple watch since it first came out (currently have a Series 2) and so theres alot of health data that has accumulated over this time and i wouldn't want to lose all of this health data
If you go and inspect the iCloud storage area in Settings, how big does it say the Health item is in MB?
 

Benz63amg

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If you go and inspect the iCloud storage area in Settings, how big does it say the Health item is in MB?
My iCloud says its 67.2MB of 5GB Used, i only have icloud enabled for health, wallet and gamecenter, nothing else, if i click manage storage it doesnt show anything relating to "Health" there
 

Mlrollin91

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So the way health is stored in the cloud was a little worrisome for me. It shows 60MB in iCloud but 400MB on my iPhone. Turns out, its compressed in iCloud to save space, but once it restores, its fully expanded. It takes a little while for it to download and expand, but while you are setting up apps and settings on your phone its taking care of the health in the background. 1.5 years of health data took about 20 minutes.

So just make sure the toggle is on in iCloud and you see health in iCloud storage and you are good to go. Enjoy your X!
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My iCloud says its 67.2MB of 5GB Used, i only have icloud enabled for health, wallet and gamecenter, nothing else, if i click manage storage it doesnt show anything relating to "Health" there
Being that you don't see health in iCloud storage, I would toggle it off, reboot the phone and toggle it back on.

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This is a view from my iMac, but you should see health in iCloud storage.
 

Benz63amg

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So the way health is stored in the cloud was a little worrisome for me. It shows 60MB in iCloud but 400MB on my iPhone. Turns out, its compressed in iCloud to save space, but once it restores, its fully expanded. It takes a little while for it to download and expand, but while you are setting up apps and settings on your phone its taking care of the health in the background. 1.5 years of health data took about 20 minutes.

So just make sure the toggle is on in iCloud and you see health in iCloud storage and you are good to go. Enjoy your X!
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Being that you don't see health in iCloud storage, I would toggle it off, reboot the phone and toggle it back on.

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This is a view from my iMac, but you should see health in iCloud storage.
Thanks bro appreciate it, You definitley dont recommend that i Restore from a local Backup through itunes on the new iPhone X right? it'll just transfer the culprit that causes battery issues on my 7 Plus over to the new phone? i also have years of Text message and imessage history in the Messages app which i would have liked to move over to the new iPhone x but i guess that wouldnt be possible with iCloud as there is no "Messages" toggle to back up messages right?
 

Mlrollin91

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Thanks bro appreciate it, You definitley dont recommend that i Restore from a local Backup through itunes on the new iPhone X right? it'll just transfer the culprit that causes battery issues on my 7 Plus over to the new phone? i also have years of Text message and imessage history in the Messages app which i would have liked to move over to the new iPhone x but i guess that wouldnt be possible with iCloud as there is no "Messages" toggle to back up messages right?
You can always try restoring from a local encrypted backup. If you have battery problems then restore. iCloud Messages isn't available right now, but should be coming out soon, maybe 11.2. That will probably be around January. If your backup works "ok" you could try to wait till that comes out, upload all your messages to the cloud (like with health) then restore as new. You will get messages and health back.

The iOS 11.2 is a guess, but Apple said with a later iOS 11 release and its not in 11.1, so thats the next best educated guess.