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Heavy Metal vs Rock vs Deathcore
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Well look who the thread starter is. Probably doesn't know all the genres of Metal that are out there.
I am old school (Beatles, Stones, Eagles, Heart, Led Zep, etc) so I voted rock. The latest hard rock I was into was grunge back in the '90s which is probably its own classification and probably not heavy metal by any standards.
Is Deathcore the same thing as Black Metal, and are both forms of heavy metal?
Heavy metal to me started with Black Sabbath, then Kiss, then Van Halen, then Metallica, and pretty much the Norwegian stuff more recently. Correct me if I am wrong since Metallica put out their first album after I finished high school and the working world did a number on me keeping up with the latest and greatest for popular music (which seems to change every month).
My tastes kind of changed in what was in my collection of harder rock and I got into Joe Satriani and a lot of instrumental guitar shred music. I like how he and Vai brought that level of shred to the mainstream and if not completely mainstream in terms of top 40, Vai's buddy and understudy Orianthi has certainly opened up intelligent amazing guitar playing to the masses.
Is Deathcore the same thing as Black Metal, and are both forms of heavy metal?
Heavy metal to me started with Black Sabbath, then Kiss, then Van Halen, then Metallica, and pretty much the Norwegian stuff more recently. Correct me if I am wrong since Metallica put out their first album after I finished high school and the working world did a number on me keeping up with the latest and greatest for popular music (which seems to change every month).
My tastes kind of changed in what was in my collection of harder rock and I got into Joe Satriani and a lot of instrumental guitar shred music. I like how he and Vai brought that level of shred to the mainstream and if not completely mainstream in terms of top 40, Vai's buddy and understudy Orianthi has certainly opened up intelligent amazing guitar playing to the masses.
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The funny thing is, after being here since July 2000 (under diff. names), I have only seen three of his threads or so. I must be in different areas on Macrumors.
But being a rocker, I like this thread. I want somebody to tell me the more current (post-Metallica) genres of hard rock or heavy metal (if they are even considered the same thing by young people today).
I feel like my parents being so clueless about new bands out there. Young guys I used to listen to who were the new rock stars now look like plastic surgery messups and one has become a new judge on American Idol.
The funny thing is, after being here since July 2000 (under diff. names), I have only seen three of his threads or so. I must be in different areas on Macrumors.
But being a rocker, I like this thread. I want somebody to tell me the more current (post-Metallica) genres of hard rock or heavy metal (if they are even considered the same thing by young people today).
I feel like my parents being so clueless about new bands out there. Young guys I used to listen to who were the new rock stars now look like plastic surgery messups and one has become a new judge on American Idol.
death core is more speed based, you know, play as fast and heavy as you can. Black metal originated from Thrash metal and seems to be more vocally based, I think around god/atheists?
Prog Rock is not on the ballot?
I still like all three choices but chronologically speaking there is a significant jump between styles of rock. Almost every heavy metal band will say that some progressive rock band has been an influence on their specific style. Vice versa on on death metal and heavy metal.
All I can say is you can NEVER go wrong with Judas Priest or Iron Maiden.
Up the irons!!
I still like all three choices but chronologically speaking there is a significant jump between styles of rock. Almost every heavy metal band will say that some progressive rock band has been an influence on their specific style. Vice versa on on death metal and heavy metal.
All I can say is you can NEVER go wrong with Judas Priest or Iron Maiden.
Up the irons!!
Should've listed more sub-genres, I would vote thrash metal, I listen to that and some metalcore(bfmv, abr, atr, etc), but I haven't listened to those in awhile because all I really listen to is thrash metal, watching the big 4 dvd right now
Being primarily a guitarist first, and somewhat drummer second, I read everything Kirk Hammett writes in guitar mags and interviews. He is not ashamed to use the term "Speed Metal" and when Metallica and a few others came out right after Anvil introduced the double bass drum fueled hard rock, speed was an accurate term in defining the type of music.
Thrash fits, too, but I have never heard it used by the members of the big four. I saw an interesting documentary on the original thrash band, Anvil, and how the big four totally drew inspiration from them. But actually I could hear some of those influences in one of the waves of British metal which came in after Ozzy.
Do any of the big three, after Metallica, join Metallica on stage? I would love to see Mustaine join his former mates. If Lars OKs it, I know it will happen.
You know the reason the sun comes up and goes down is because Lars OK'd it in the first place. I have recently been eyeing a nice Pearl drumset and I like it over the more expensive Tama set, but I don't think Lars would approve, do you?? (DoFoT9)
I assume you are a young guy and not one who grew up with the Beatles/Stones, so what's the basic difference between Death metal and Black metal?
I do see a lot of both on the ESP guitar/LTD guitar website successfully selling electric guitars.
Death Metal: Think gruesome lyrics and cookie monster type voice...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_metal
Death metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It typically employs heavily distorted guitars, tremolo picking, deep growling vocals, blast beat drumming, minor keys or atonality, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes.
Building from the musical structure of thrash metal and early black metal, death metal emerged during the mid 1980s.[2] Metal acts such as Slayer,[3][4] Kreator,[5] Celtic Frost,[6] and Venom were very important influences to the crafting of the genre.[2] Along with the band Death and its frontman Chuck Schuldiner, who is often referred to as "the father of death metal",[7][8][9] bands such as Possessed,[10] Obituary and Morbid Angel are often considered pioneers of the genre.[11] In the late 1980s and early 1990s, death metal gained more media attention as popular genre niche record labels like Combat, Earache and Roadrunner began to sign death metal bands at a rapid rate.[12] Since then, death metal has diversified, spawning a variety of subgenres.[13]
Black Metal: think anti-religion/christian/catholic etc with cookie monster/shrieks/screams etc..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal
This article is about the musical genre. For the 1982 Venom album, see Black Metal (album). For black minerals, see Black metal (mineralogy). For 1982 Venom song, see Black Metal (song).
Black metal
Stylistic origins Speed metal, thrash metal, hardcore punk
Cultural origins First Wave:
Early-mid 1980s, Europe
Second Wave:
Early 1990s, Scandinavia
Typical instruments Vocals - Electric guitar - Bass guitar - Drums
Mainstream popularity Underground
Subgenres
Symphonic black metal - Viking metal
Fusion genres
Blackened crust - Blackened death metal - Blackened doom metal - Gothic black metal
Other topics
List of bands - Black Metal Inner Circle - Les Légions Noires
Black metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It often uses fast tempos, shrieked vocals, highly distorted guitars played with tremolo picking, blast beat drumming, raw recording, and unconventional song structure.
During the 1980s, certain thrash metal bands formed a prototype for black metal. This so-called "first wave" included bands such as Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost and Sarcófago.[1] A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, mostly of Norwegian bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal and Emperor. This scene developed the black metal style into a distinct genre.
Black metal has been met with hostility from mainstream culture, mainly due to the misanthropic and anti-Christian standpoint of many artists. Moreover, a handful of musicians have been linked with church burnings, murder or National Socialism. For these, and other reasons, black metal is often seen as an underground form of music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_metal
Death metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It typically employs heavily distorted guitars, tremolo picking, deep growling vocals, blast beat drumming, minor keys or atonality, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes.
Building from the musical structure of thrash metal and early black metal, death metal emerged during the mid 1980s.[2] Metal acts such as Slayer,[3][4] Kreator,[5] Celtic Frost,[6] and Venom were very important influences to the crafting of the genre.[2] Along with the band Death and its frontman Chuck Schuldiner, who is often referred to as "the father of death metal",[7][8][9] bands such as Possessed,[10] Obituary and Morbid Angel are often considered pioneers of the genre.[11] In the late 1980s and early 1990s, death metal gained more media attention as popular genre niche record labels like Combat, Earache and Roadrunner began to sign death metal bands at a rapid rate.[12] Since then, death metal has diversified, spawning a variety of subgenres.[13]
Black Metal: think anti-religion/christian/catholic etc with cookie monster/shrieks/screams etc..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal
This article is about the musical genre. For the 1982 Venom album, see Black Metal (album). For black minerals, see Black metal (mineralogy). For 1982 Venom song, see Black Metal (song).
Black metal
Stylistic origins Speed metal, thrash metal, hardcore punk
Cultural origins First Wave:
Early-mid 1980s, Europe
Second Wave:
Early 1990s, Scandinavia
Typical instruments Vocals - Electric guitar - Bass guitar - Drums
Mainstream popularity Underground
Subgenres
Symphonic black metal - Viking metal
Fusion genres
Blackened crust - Blackened death metal - Blackened doom metal - Gothic black metal
Other topics
List of bands - Black Metal Inner Circle - Les Légions Noires
Black metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It often uses fast tempos, shrieked vocals, highly distorted guitars played with tremolo picking, blast beat drumming, raw recording, and unconventional song structure.
During the 1980s, certain thrash metal bands formed a prototype for black metal. This so-called "first wave" included bands such as Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost and Sarcófago.[1] A "second wave" arose in the early 1990s, mostly of Norwegian bands such as Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal and Emperor. This scene developed the black metal style into a distinct genre.
Black metal has been met with hostility from mainstream culture, mainly due to the misanthropic and anti-Christian standpoint of many artists. Moreover, a handful of musicians have been linked with church burnings, murder or National Socialism. For these, and other reasons, black metal is often seen as an underground form of music.
Guitars and vocals are much lower and tempos are often insanely high in death metal, I would say that's the basic difference between them. Lyrics are also totally different; in death metal they are often (but not always) related to death while black metal lyrics are about Satan/satanism (but again, not always).
In black metal, the ambiance is fairly bleak and gloomy, which is what black metal aims at. Death metal (especially newer gen) is more about skill with those high tempos and extremely tricky guitars and drums, while in BM the skill is a secondary thing.
Of course, it depends on a band but there is huge difference between these two. The easiest way to hear the difference is to listen to them
Example of black metal
Example of death metal
I just picked two songs that came to my mind, there are big differences between bands.
Guitars and vocals are much lower and tempos are often insanely high in death metal, I would say that's the basic difference between them. Lyrics are also totally different; in death metal they are often (but not always) related to death while black metal lyrics are about Satan/satanism (but again, not always).
In black metal, the ambiance is fairly bleak and gloomy, which is what black metal aims at. Death metal (especially newer gen) is more about skill with those high tempos and extremely tricky guitars and drums, while in BM the skill is a secondary thing.
Of course, it depends on a band but there is huge difference between these two. The easiest way to hear the difference is to listen to them
Example of black metal
Example of death metal
I just picked two songs that came to my mind, there are big differences between bands.
Thanks for the examples.
That type of scary hard rock to me in my youth was the comical theatrics of "God of Thunder" from Kiss. I am sure the four lads from New York influenced a whole generation of metalheads who came later. Also Alice Cooper put on a good horror show, too.
Gene Simmons always put on a great bass solo during that song and a few others.
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I am not to young but Kiss is my favorite band next to Fear Factory. God of Thunder is a killer track even for me to this day. But it doesn't really compare to other tracks that are out today. Then you get into sub genres of Doom Metal etc................... There are so many sub's it isn't even funny. Hell there is Viking Metal! Love it!
I voted Deathcore, but only because it's closer to the type of heavy music I like. I consider heavy metal to be older metal, when I mainly listen to music from 2000 and onward. Haven't been listening to too much metal lately; been more into the indie underground pop-punk/hardcore scene that's been happening lately. And I'm listening to Deadmau5 right now.
I have to agree with Hellhammer! Black and Death is best. although for black I think that this video does alot better justice to the genre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0kjoW5ftVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0kjoW5ftVg
I distrust anything with a "core" in it, as that's indicative of one of the fad trends. Doesn't mean there isn't a gem hidden in there though.
I like a little of everything except black. I favor progressive power metal though.
I like a little of everything except black. I favor progressive power metal though.
I have to agree with Hellhammer! Black and Death is best. although for black I think that this video does alot better justice to the genre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0kjoW5ftVg
Actually, Belphegor is often categorized as blackened death metal
But yeah, it gets a bit ridiculous with these sub-sub-sub-genre things In the end, the band decides what genre their music belongs to. In black metal, some Norwegian bands say that real black metal can only come from Norway and sometimes these Norwegian BM bands classify themselves as True Norwegian Black Metal (=TNBM) bands so they are not confused with other "black metal" bands. Some bands even come up with their own sub-genre, e.g. Turisas (a battle metal band).
Being primarily a guitarist first, and somewhat drummer second, I read everything Kirk Hammett writes in guitar mags and interviews. He is not ashamed to use the term "Speed Metal" and when Metallica and a few others came out right after Anvil introduced the double bass drum fueled hard rock, speed was an accurate term in defining the type of music.
Thrash fits, too, but I have never heard it used by the members of the big four. I saw an interesting documentary on the original thrash band, Anvil, and how the big four totally drew inspiration from them. But actually I could hear some of those influences in one of the waves of British metal which came in after Ozzy.
Do any of the big three, after Metallica, join Metallica on stage? I would love to see Mustaine join his former mates. If Lars OKs it, I know it will happen.
Thrash/speed metal works, but they're generally called the big 4 of thrash metal. The Big four concerts over the summer had anthrax, megadeth, slayer and metallica all playing the same concert. At the end of metallica's setlist the rest of the bands came out to play "Am I Evil" with all four bands on stage. If you didn't know about the dvd for one of the concerts is on itunes.
Very curiously, the original demo for "God of Thunder" - with Paul on lead vocal - sounds distinctly...wait for it...disco! Still a great song, but night and day different from the Demon's version on Destroyer.