Held hostage by iCloud storage limitations

MarkB786

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With all the free storage available elsewhere, I decided to dump my paid iCloud storage upgrade. It has been tough. In typical Apple fashion, they have integrated iCloud into so many aspects of OS X, that it is a Herculean effort to detangle. I have had to delete all files on iCloud just to keep my mac.com email functioning. 5 GB these days is nowhere near enough for basic functionality. I am very happy to be moving away from the Apple ecosystem as it really is just one big money drain.
 

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5 GB these days is nowhere near enough for basic functionality. I am very happy to be moving away from the Apple ecosystem as it really is just one big money drain.
I personally don't think 50GB of space for 99 cents is a big money drain, quite the opposite.

Secondly, I can't say what you're using the mail for, but think about cleaning up old emails. I have emails daiting back from when iCloud was called iTools and you got a .mac email and my email storage is just under 2GB.

In typical Apple fashion, they have integrated iCloud into so many aspects of OS X
Of course, that's a benefit that Apple baking into OS X. Microsoft is doing the same thing with OneDrive.
 

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I personally don't think 50GB of space for 99 cents is a big money drain, quite the opposite.

Secondly, I can't say what you're using the mail for, but think about cleaning up old emails. I have emails daiting back from when iCloud was called iTools and you got a .mac email and my email storage is just under 2GB.


Of course, that's a benefit that Apple baking into OS X. Microsoft is doing the same thing with OneDrive.
I too go back to iTools and a .mac email address and have less than 1GB of email stored in iCloud
I haven't had a need to pay for iCloud storage at all
 

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I too go back to iTools and a .mac email address and have less than 1GB of email stored in iCloud
I haven't had a need to pay for iCloud storage at all
Agreed, I signed up for the additional storage, only because I decided to move my desktop/documents folder to the cloud, otherwise, I wouldn't need the additional storage.

For 99 cents, I felt its a great deal to get 50GB, and I'm happy with what I'm getting
 

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Agreed, I signed up for the additional storage, only because I decided to move my desktop/documents folder to the cloud, otherwise, I wouldn't need the additional storage.

For 99 cents, I felt its a great deal to get 50GB, and I'm happy with what I'm getting
I have a paid DropBox for that and have for years (and been very happy)
I back up my iPhone directly to my Mac instead of an iCloud backup
 
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No, unlimited free photo storage on Google,
And you give google the right to use the images as they see fit and I recall seeing a thread where someone's pictures were in fact used by google. Sorry but my pictures are mine, and I'm not willing to give google the rights to my images in the name of free storage. The last thing I want to see, is images of my kids being used to promote google stuff.

I think this quote is germane to the topic
If You're Not Paying For It, You Become The Product]
Google is giving away storage, they're not doing it out of some sort of altruistic motivation to better mankind, rather they're monetizing your use of the service and/or your images.
 
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T'hain Esh Kelch

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No, unlimited free photo storage on Google, and also on Amazon as part of Prime. And Google does not hold your email hostage to get you to upgrade.
What does Prime have to do with it? If you complain about 1$ a month, how can you not complain about something which is 13 times more expensive?
 

elf69

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google do hold ur email hostage.

google drive including email is 15GB.
we use google drive for work we are sat at around 13GB.

soon we will have to pay for more space.

yes google give you free photo space but they have the rights to sell/copy/distribute them.
by using the service you agree to this.
 
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MarkB786

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What does Prime have to do with it? If you complain about 1$ a month, how can you not complain about something which is 13 times more expensive?
Becuase with Prime, you get a whole lot more than you do with iCloud payments.
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And you give google the right to use the images as they see fit and I recall seeing a thread where someone's pictures were in fact used by google. Sorry but my pictures are mine, and I'm not willing to give google the rights to my images in the name of free storage. The last thing I want to see, is images of my kids being used to promote google stuff.

I think this quote is germane to the topic


Google is giving away storage, they're not doing it out of some sort of altruistic motivation to better mankind, rather they're monetizing your use of the service and/or your images.
How is this different than all other online images and postings you do (in addition to all of your browsing and shopping)? Fortunatley for me, I live a simple life and coud not care less about Google scannng my photos to target-market me. I even enjoy Google's timeline that shows where I went during a month and inserts photos. It is very liberating to have nothing to hide. All of technology is going this way, since that's where the big money is. There is not a sngle company that is so generous and caring as to not take advantage of you and your online presence.
 
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elf69

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you last sentence is so true!

what an age we live in.

facebook of course being the one the big players in this market!
 

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There is not a sngle company that is so generous and caring as to not take advantage of you and your online presence.
Exactly, so I prefer companies like apple where I pay for the service and thier TOS states they don't use your property.

I live a simple life and coud not care less about Google scannng my photos to target-market me
Then I recommend you use google and not pay Apple's monthly fee of 99 cents. I'm happy with my setup, and you need to be with yours. One size does not fit all.

I am very happy to be moving away from the Apple ecosystem as it really is just one big money drain.
Since you're moving away from apple's ecosystem, it makes sense imo then to find another email provider, that way you won't have to struggle to live within Apple's free 5GB storage. As mentioned above however, 99 cents a month is cheaper then 9.99 a month for dropbox, so I don't see how you can call it a big money drain when dropbox costs a lot more.
 

Fishrrman

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The best way to "get untangled" from iCloud is... to never sign into it in the first place! ;)
 

maflynn

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For a whole lot more money. 13 times more to be exact.
Agreed, Apple/Google/MS/etc. They all basically run their cloud services similarly. Apple is competively priced, I really like just paying 99 cents for 50GB. I know other servicse offer 1TB storage plans, but I don't need that much and so I'm paying for what I actually use. The other benefit with Apple as I see it is that is so integrated into iOS/macOS. While the OP condemns such actions its what keeps me on the platform :)
 

bruinsrme

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No, unlimited free photo storage on Google, and also on Amazon as part of Prime. And Google does not hold your email hostage to get you to upgrade.
You are correct. Google has their 3rd party partners pay for it instead.
 

bcave098

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I need to pay for 50GB a month for my daughters iPhone. How do I do that ? And can you only pay a month at a time? Why not annually? What a pain in the but.
And what happens if she didn’t pay a month ? Does it hold your data there till you pay and then it opens it back up for you?
You should post your own thread instead of hijacking another. The first result in Google tells you how to manage iCloud storage plans. You can only pay by the month, Apple discontinued its annual plans. If you don't pay for storage, you cannot add anything to iCloud. The data remains in tact and can be accesses freely. Note, however, that iCloud backups for iOS devices are deleted after 6 months if no new backups are made.
 

deepakvrao

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google do hold ur email hostage.

google drive including email is 15GB.
we use google drive for work we are sat at around 13GB.

soon we will have to pay for more space.

yes google give you free photo space but they have the rights to sell/copy/distribute them.
by using the service you agree to this.
Do they have that right if you upload full size pics too? That means you are not using their 'unlimited' storage deal, and only what you have paid for.
 

elf69

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We have not paid google anything.
for email and drive you get 15GB free.

the unlimited photo storage is free because they make money by selling your images.
By using the service you agree to this, it is in the Ts and Cs.

It is a free to end user service, nothing these days is ACTUALLY free.
Someone has to pay.
 

deepakvrao

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We have not paid google anything.
for email and drive you get 15GB free.

the unlimited photo storage is free because they make money by selling your images.
By using the service you agree to this, it is in the Ts and Cs.

It is a free to end user service, nothing these days is ACTUALLY free.
Someone has to pay.
Unlimited photos is only in 'high res' and not if all are original size. Also, I have paid and using the 100 gb paid storage. So question is, do they still have rights?
 

elf69

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That I do not know.
Their site should tell you in the terms and conditions.
[doublepost=1520595668][/doublepost]From google cloud platform website terms of service:


  • 5.2 Use of Customer Data. Google will not access or use Customer Data, except as necessary to provide the Services to Customer.

This is for the cloud paid service as I read it.
I do not use the service myself.
 

Seamus Warren

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With all the free storage available elsewhere, I decided to dump my paid iCloud storage upgrade. It has been tough. In typical Apple fashion, they have integrated iCloud into so many aspects of OS X, that it is a Herculean effort to detangle. I have had to delete all files on iCloud just to keep my mac.com email functioning. 5 GB these days is nowhere near enough for basic functionality. I am very happy to be moving away from the Apple ecosystem as it really is just one big money drain.
I'm fed up with the so-called "subscription model" for everything.

I'd rather have a stake in services and infrastructure from storage clouds to energy to roads to home ownership and employment.

We are in a neo-feudal times.

Debt is an instrument of enslavement employed by a parasitic finance sector for extraction of a nation's wealth in an upward direction to a tiny minority who will retreat to their gated communities when we all burn as the empire collapses.

Regarding cloud storage, I think I'd prefer my own cloud and remote backup solution. The "cloud" being a NAS in my home and the backup kept offsite. Maybe a cheap options like "Backblaze" just for added insurance in case there is a natural disaster we survive. :)
 
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Wirenut

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Agreed, I signed up for the additional storage, only because I decided to move my desktop/documents folder to the cloud, otherwise, I wouldn't need the additional storage.

For 99 cents, I felt its a great deal to get 50GB, and I'm happy with what I'm getting
I agree 100%. $1/month is nothing, it's not a cost at all.

Sure, you may be able to find storage for free, but it is not synced into your ecosystem like iCloud is, which costs money and is a steal for $1.
 
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