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axel9546

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Hello guys i woud like to buy an imac (21.5 its fine)

Do you know a good year model that can afford photoshop? I mean about cpu and gpu? Because the rest i can upgrade the ssd, the ram etc. (Photoshop used with a cintiq and digital painting stuff, so no video editing or games)

I buy refubrished or used, not new, so i would like any tips from owners or some experience you may had :)

thanks for help! Have a good day :)
 
Because the rest i can upgrade the ssd, the ram etc.
The current crop of 21" iMacs do not have ram that is upgradeable, you have to go back to an older model. Likewise with the storage, its not considered user replaceable and its quite difficult to open up many of the iMacs, at least 2014 and beyond.
 
Yes i hope i find a 2018 model at 400€ but i think it will never be possibile. I think something btw 2013/2018 could be good
 
I like it when people recommend big numbers without thinking about what the user actually needs. Yes, @axel9546, go with 512 GB SSD and 16 GB RAM. You don't need to know the reason. In fact, **** it, what you really need is a iMac Pro with an 18-core Xeon and 128 GB RAM. You need it all.

That was sarcasm, don't do that. @axel9546, what you ought to do is save up some extra funds so you can afford to buy the kind of iMac that will provide you with all the performance you need now and for some time down the road. Please avoid rushing to buy the cheapest iMac you can find that ultimately may not adequately meet your needs because of your current budget constraints. That's not to say you need an iMac with 16 GB RAM, because it depends entirely on what you do and how long you hope to keep the machine.

What's your usage flow like? What kind of apps do you use simultaneously? I'm a software engineer and I often have 2 to 3 virtual machines up at once, which can take anywhere between 1 - 3 GB RAM each. For this reason I personally need 16 GB in my iMac, but not all software engineers will need this much. It depends on what they do. Same for your line of work, hence the question.

Now the 21.5-inch iMacs are fine but some of them are very, very slow. For example, the 1.4 GHz iMac from 2014 is a slow piece of **** and should be avoided under any circumstances. What hurts it the most is that for such a slow processor, Apple chose to insult users by pairing it with a 5400-rpm hard drive instead of choosing to spend a very small amount extra to pair it with a faster 7200-rpm hard drive. They still do this today with the first two 21.5-inch iMac configurations. It might be more bearable with a faster processor as is the case with the 3.0 GHz 4K iMac, but it's still slow compared to a 7200-rpm hard drive and very slow compared to a Fusion Drive or SSD.
 
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Hey guys thanks all for the replyes.
I have 400/500€ budget for the Imac and i saw that in italy for that price i can get about the 21.5 Imac late 2013.
I saw many has the fusion drive, 8gb ram, i5 at 2.7 ghz (4570r) and the iris pro 1.5GB.
I saw that this would be fine because i will use it for photoshop digital painting with a wacom citniq.
But the fact i would like to take an eye is the thing that i can can upgrade.
Say that i will buy the 2013 model with the fusion drive, this mean i will be able to put in the future a Nvme Ssd in the fusion drive pcie port? It will be slowed than newer imac?
Also if i but the 2015 version, i have no chanche to upgrade the ram so i think im fine with the 2013 model what do you think?
If i will set up like this
I5 4570r
1TB hdd and Nvme Samsung pro 960 (which speed can i reach?? Full or limited?)
16Gb Ram
Iris pro 1.5Gb

I think im fine for the next 6/7 years with photoshop.
[doublepost=1535821028][/doublepost]Also guys if i buy one Imac without the fusion drive (so wirth the 1tb hdd), will i be able to put the ssd nvme inside? There will be the pcie connector?
 
That spec for €400 would be a good deal to me.
The Fusion drive isn't that bad, see how you get on with it, then consider changing it if needs be. You can always run an external SSD and do away with the internal hard drive usage if your not bothered about having an external drive, and as long as your able to load MacOS onto it etc.
 
That spec for €400 would be a good deal to me.
The Fusion drive isn't that bad, see how you get on with it, then consider changing it if needs be. You can always run an external SSD and do away with the internal hard drive usage if your not bothered about having an external drive, and as long as your able to load MacOS onto it etc.
Find also a 2013 21.5 i7 4770S imac with 16Gbram/fusion drive and geforce 750m 1Gb at 700€. Would be good?? So i dont have To do any update.. but a question as i dont know apple hardware wrll.
In therms of speed whats the difference btw a normal ssd and a fusion drove? Its alwais 500mb/s r/w?
 
The SSD will be instant fast, where as the Fusion drive is a hybrid of a small amount of SSD storage and the rest from a HDD and has a small delay in comparison, but only really for programs that aren't used frequently.

The 2013 setup you've found has a better spec in terms of RAM and graphics. But I've never used one myself from that age so cannot comment, closest I had was a 2011 machine but it had a terribly poor graphics card with a poor amount of video RAM to go with it (512mb). Hopefully someone with that spec machine will be able to comment and advise you further. :)
 
Yes i hope i find a 2018 model at 400€ but i think it will never be possibile. I think something btw 2013/2018 could be good
Here,even 27" second 2015 cost 1000 dollar.400 pound only can barely win laptop 4gb .My advise try find 2011 mac mini and upgrade it.
 
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