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Originally posted by macstudent
The problem is that on the lowend imac it only comes with 128 internal. The only option to bumpup the internal ram is to 512 which is an extra $313! That is out of the question for my sister. That leaves the option of adding the additonal ram myself, but they will not want to spend the money on a 512 chip for the external. But I don't want them to be stuck later on when they want and/or need more ram.

a 512mb chip costs about $130. with that and the 128 chip they should be fine.

here is my reccommended vendor. i love these guys
http://www.memoryx.net/im70flatscre.html

transintl.com has it for about 149. not bad either.

and then if you are feeling ambitious you can replace the factory install ram, its cheaper.
 
For God sake, show them the Light. Don't give up!

In short terms:

-Reliability / Good hardware

-Low cost maintenance

-Software exists for everything they need
(ask them what they will need in software terms and show them the Mac's counterparts; Mac's will not have 200 programs to do a thing but the 20 they have are the best; remember : Mac's just use the best! )

-Connectivity
( Mac's are always prepared to connect to everything! )

Then, prepare the documentation ( magazine and internet reviews and praises ) and put them in front of an iMac ( if you can, in an Apple store or any good reseller that has a wealthy supply of software ) and lead the drive ( see, for instance, the report of a new convert at RAILhead Design of 14-03-02, www.railheaddesign.com ). The iMac will sell himself!:D

Good idea that of a camera as a gift! Show them what they can do with it at the store.
And refuse to support the Dell!

About the Yahoo messenger : can anyone else help macstudent?
 
Try, but don't be too pushy

I'm a recent Mac convert (I've returned to the community after pawning off my dell and plunking down some cash for a TiBook), and I totally agree with the "total cost of ownership" theory, the overall stability of OS X, the high-quality of Macs, etc. So while I certainly do wish you luck in converting your sister and brother-in-law, you should really let fate take its course.

Your brother-in-law is ready to get a PC because he could supposedly play more games and your sister seems to value using the webcam highly. With so much mental attachment to the PC (justified or not), they will be disappointed if they can't do what they *think* they should be doing with their computer. Making movies with iDVD, ripping music on iTunes, and organizing photos with iPhoto are probably things they could do with the computer that haven't occurred to them.

In any case, people like me appreciated a Mac much more once we saw the blue screen of death for the billionth time and experienced countless hours of fun with "plug-and-pray." Perhaps let them get their Dell, let the odds play themselves out (i.e. the computer will most likely crash again and again for no reason other than being used) before reminding them about the Mac.

Good luck!
 
Sit them down and let them poke about in OS X. That alone has already converted several Windows users I know.

Scatter some files (text, music, whatever) in various places. Let them see how they can move things around at ease and at will. Make sure they see how everything will STILL WORK.

THEN let them try this very same operation in Windows. Let them attempt to access "missing" files, let them experience the frustration of "missing components" in apps, etc.

Show them where an app resides in the system folder. Show them an extension. Let them see how easy it is to remove or move apps. Now show them all the .dlls and crab's nest of hidden files lurking in the bowels of Windows. That is the most effective scare tactic I know of.

Good luck! I'd hate to see ANYONE buy a damn Dell.
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


As for the PBG4 you either got a bad HD, or it got slammed when it was reading writing. If you move your notebook too fast (drop it) while it's accessing the HD you can do permanent damage.
As for the DVD...I don't know.:rolleyes:

must've been a bad drive, cuz we treated it like a baby when he got it. was a 30 gig too....he's had bad luck though before. his PB G3 (which is now mine) had a horrible formatting error where it would not free up empty disk space. but ya those are the only really bad hardware probs I've had with macs after using them (and using them *hard* :D) for the last 4 or 5 years
 
My sister and her husband have been considering buying a new computer. My sister knows next to nothing about a computer and her husband knows a little but not to much. Anyway, I have been on a mac for 2 years now and I try to sell everyone I know on macs. I just kept hitting home and showing them what I have. I think they really want the new imac. Anyway, my point is just keep hammering home that macs are better and can do everything that they want to do. They will come around. Also, I was in CompUsa the other day and I saw a webcam that was compatible with Mac OS X. I can't remember which one, but that should take care of one problem.
 
windows code is messy. windows is in the dark ages now. anything realiable and stable is unix based now a days. slap them with that crap.
 
Maybe I am just too lazy to fight with people anymore over the PC vs. Mac thing.. old age and all getting to me... but I use this analogy if someone really wants to know what I think.
AOL claims to have nearly 30 million subscribers. That is 30 MILLION times $24 a month. ($720,000,000 a MONTH, or $8,640,000,000 a year) If that is the case, I think their stock holders need to have a word with them. Anyway.. they are counting the total number of people who have EVER signed up for AOL, not people who currently USE AOL. Dell does the same thing when they talk about how many Dell users there are. (To be fair, I think Apple dabbles in this sort of fuzzy reasoning, too) The numbers that matter, in my opinion at least, is how many people have bought a SECOND Dell after using one for a few years? I work at a place that buys and sells used computers (as well as new ones) and I can tell you that from talking to the people who are selling us their Dells (most of which are quite new, less than 2 years old) ONLY the customers who have servers or high end machines would even consider another Dell. The low prices Dell pastes all over the back of every PC magazine and their twice-hourly commercials are for machines that almost no one seems to buy twice.
On the other hand, the few macs we do get are usually either old, (beige 603's and 604's) or iMacs (mostly Bondi's and early fruits). The people selling them, though, with few exceptions, are either buying another iMac, or selling their iMacs and going to CompUSA next door to buy new PowerMac towers.
In my more cynical moments, I attribute this to the customers having hardware and software that is Mac, and they are stubbornly sticking to their investments. The problem is, if you have a beige 603 or 604, none of the stuff you have will WORK with the new Macs, unless you drop hundreds of dollars on adapters. (Firewire->SCSI, USB->serial, USB->ADB, etc) So the truth is, people buy second, third, fourth, etc Macs because they LIKE them.
Most of the people that DO buy PCs again and again buy a different brand each time, or thinking there is some magic in custom machines, switch from brand names to having a clone built. There are two clone shops within walking distance from us, in addition to CompUSA and Circuit City. We trade PC customers like kids trade Pokemon stuff. Each customer through the door tells us how the machine that "XYZ CloneShop" built for them is crap, and they want us to build them a new one. We do, of course, because business in America in the 21st century means you smile and nod and gouge the stupid people. We do a fair job, I think, of researching what they want the machine to do, and build what I think is a good PC. I am not so delusional, though, as to think that in a year they won't be at the next shop down the street saying that we built them a crappy computer and they want THAT place to build them a new one. PC's are every bit as disposable as toasters to most people... because they have been trained to believe that you have to seriously upgrade or replace them every 18 months... or at least every time a new version of Windows is released.
In short, try to save your sister the grief of buying any PC, be it Dell, Compaq, IBM, whatever.. but don't make yourself crazy doing it. If they buy one, just know that you'll have another chance to convert them in 18-24 months, and you'll have lots more arguments in Mac's favor then... "hey, remember that time I told you to buy a Mac? Wanna LISTEN this time?"
 
re: Help convert sister to imac and not a DELL!

Hey macstudent

What ever happen to your sister and her new computer purchase? Were you able help her and her husband? My brother in law could not get past the apple myth that a mac cannot run MS office, even after I showed him and let him see Office for OS X. And even after his bad experience with his old winblows he still bought a new dell. Some people still can't get a clue.

number 6

"By hook or by crook"
 
are they planning on selling their old computer? If not, they could just use the PC for yahoo or whatever and the Mac for everything else...just let them use your mac vs. their PC for a week and they'll be converted...only idiots say "no, 'cause Macs suck"
 
Originally posted by kishba
refuse to ever help them again if they get a dell

that's what i would do (but i probably would help anyway and just rub it in their face)

yahoo messanger is a pretty weak excuse to keep using a pc.... it's like saying "i can't use windows because it doesn't adium" wait, i say that now anyways heheeheheh :)
I agree with kishba. Let 'em get the Dell. When it starts to crap out or crash every other day, just say, "Shoulda got the iMac". And refuse to help.

That'll learn 'em.
 
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