.... in a nice polite way as they're comments from an app forum which I can't afford to be banned from. I'm not really conversant with all the pros/cons as I don't have an iPod but I know enough to know their comments can mostly be rebutted. They were in response to a member asking which mp3 player to get. Comment 1- I have a 20 gb archos gmini 220. I love it because I can transfer data files and progrmas on it. Ipod can not say that. or let me see them run an app on an ipod! that one still makes me laugh! Comment 2- Do you realise that if the battery or HD in your ipod packs it in you throw away the Ipod and buy a new one? The Creative ZEN offers a removeable(replaceable) lithium battery. You can get anything from a simple 2gig version to the full colour 30gig version that plays 5:1 surround and videos. Zen also plays wma files - most pros I've talked to reckon a 64kbps wma sounds as good as a 128kbps mp3. It also plays video files on it's full colour screen. It has a USB2 interface and can be used as a file storage unit as well as storing music.