Help Please! Need Prosumer Camcorder!

Discussion in 'Digital Video' started by leathaface954, Sep 5, 2007.

  1. leathaface954 macrumors newbie

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    i am looking to purchase a prosumer type camcorder. I'm willing to spend anywhere from a grand to 2 grand. I'd like the camera to have good sound quality, and have a 16:9 option with it. Also, can anyone tell me is a camera that has a 24fps option necessary because i'd like to have something that produces that "film look" to make it look like a real professional production. I am all open for opinions, someone please help me deicde which camera's are the best to choose from! I hae looked at tha Canon XL1, XL2, and GL2, Canon XH A1, Sony HDR FX1, Panasonic DVC30, and the Panasonic AG-DVX100's..ALSO I NEED SOMETHING THAT IS RELATIVELY GOOD IN LOW LIGHTING..any info would help and i deeply appreciate it. im open for all suggestions! thanks!
     
  2. trudd macrumors regular

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    I'm actually about to sell my GL-2 with a few accessories (extra long-life battery, Canon Wide Angle, all original accessories, ~60 hours on heads)

    Let me know if you're interested.
     
  3. marioman38 macrumors 6502a

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    Just bought a Canon HV20. 1080i HD 24P for only $899 (amazon)

    Some people have some pretty awesome setups.

    This is deffinatly the best "Bang for your Buck" camera! Rated 3 Lux in 24P

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    Check Out HV20.com I learned alot there.
     
  4. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    1-2 grand will get you a higher end consumer camera, but not something in prosumer realm (at least not something new). 24p by itself isn't going to get you the "film look." Solid audio, cinema-style camera work, proper lighting, and good color correction/grading after editing are part of the equation too. The deep depth of field you get w/small video camera also yells "video" so people use contraptions (like the one pictured in marioman38's post) to hook up still photography lens to video cameras and achieve a more shallow, more film-like depth of field. The downside is the 35mm adapters aren't cheap (typically starting around $1k) require precise setup, and the use of a tripod so they aren't very run 'n gun friendly (Red Rock is coming out w/a shoulder mounted setup but I don't know if there is a release date yet).

    What you want to do w/the camera should be an important consideration as well. If you want to do mainly things like skate videos you'd want a different kind of camera package than if you want to do mainly short films.


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  5. solvs macrumors 603

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    I have the Canon GL-2. Got it on sale at B&H a few months ago. Kinda disappointed with the low light performance, it can get kinda grainy. Looks fine on standard def on smaller screens usually, but doesn't look great on the higher def and/or larger ones. With enough light, even indoors, looks fine. Sound it great with the external mic I bought, but it eats up battery life, so I got 2 of those extra large third party ones and a portable charger.

    There's a new Sony model coming out that might fit your price range. Read about it on Camcorderinfo.com. Looks like it's pretty much just an HC7 in a bigger body though.
     
  6. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    SD isn't supposed to look good on HD TV so I wouldn't fret too much about it. ;)


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  7. solvs macrumors 603

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    Higher def, ie computer screens. ;) Even my 20" LCD, but yeah, especially on my 23" HD ACD. Also looks like crap on a 32" SD CRT. But again, only for low light. Indoors with the family with the lights on = fine. Outside in daylight = great. In a darkish club taking video of my friends' band with only stage lights lighting them = not so good. It's supposed to be good down to 6 lux, but still looks very grainy at ~10 lux. Very grainy.

    Otherwise though, the camera itself is awesome.
     
  8. ymmacman macrumors newbie

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    Sony Hdr fx1

    I have a HDR FX1 and am very happy with it. very good in low light.
    :)
     
  9. leathaface954 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    thanks for the feedback! Now, do i NEED a camcorder with 24fps to help achieve the film look, or can it be done without it (and replaced by effects)????

    Do you recommend getting something in HD, or something with 24fps?? which has better image quality?

    Can HD also produce a film like look to it (with effects if needed)?
     
  10. leathaface954 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    what would you say are the BEST camcorders available in the price range from a grand to say 3 grand???
     
  11. BennyK macrumors 6502

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  12. BennyK macrumors 6502

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    SD I like Sony PD-170 but I dont think that has 24p
     

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