Help trying to figure out why mac pro is not booting?

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Hello

I have a 2009 mac pro that was flashed and upgraded to 2010. Its been running great till this morning. Just tried to turn it on and, power light comes on, disks spin up, fans spin up but nothing else happens.

It was powered off somehow over night.

There is also a red light glowing inside right under the first HDD trey. I took a picture of it, hopefully u can make it out.

Any ideas what the light is? or possible issue? it was working fine as of last night. Never had an issue in 4 years i had it.


EDIT: it seems that light under HDD 1 sled is on after i power it off but when its on there is a different light next to the cpu that is red. picture attached.
 

Attachments

Last edited:

h9826790

macrumors G5
Apr 3, 2014
12,800
5,622
Hong Kong
Both LED are also for processor over temperature indication.

I don't know if that's the real CPU problem or the sensor's problem. However, if SMC reset can't cure it. You may try to reseat the CPU, and re-apply the thermal paste.
 
Last edited:

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Both LED are also for processor over temperature indication.

I don't know if that's the real CPU problem or the sensor's problem. However, if SMC reset can't cure it. You may try to reseat the CPU, and re-apply the thermal paste.
SMC reset didn't help. I did :remove power cord, press power button for 10 seconds, plug in power cord and wait 5 seconds. then power it on.

Same as before, no chime no boot
 

h9826790

macrumors G5
Apr 3, 2014
12,800
5,622
Hong Kong
Since you said that you flashed it to 5,1, I assume you did upgrade the CPU. If you still have the original CPU, you may put it back to test the system.
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Since you said that you flashed it to 5,1, I assume you did upgrade the CPU. If you still have the original CPU, you may put it back to test the system.
Yep still have the original one. Going to try putting back
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Swapped back original cpu but still no go. I think i figured out the problem though.
It looks like one of the clips holding heatsync next to the cpu broke off as it fell out when i took the big heatsync off. I think it clipped it when i originally swapped the cpu and it finally broke off ater a year or so.
So question is where do i find a replacement? Its in the picture attached circled in blue.

any thoughts?
 

Attachments

Gav Mack

macrumors 68020
Jun 15, 2008
2,192
17
Sagittarius A*
you mean glue the heatsync to the chip?
Unless you have a friendly local repair agent who you can raid their dead parts bin to salvage components sticking that heatsink on that north bridge type chip will be an awful lot cheaper than a cpu board. Have you held it down in place to see if it boots ok?
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Unless you have a friendly local repair agent who you can raid their dead parts bin to salvage components sticking that heatsink on that north bridge type chip will be an awful lot cheaper than a cpu board. Have you held it down in place to see if it boots ok?
nope. can i try booting it without the big heatsync? once big heatsync goes on, it covers the northbridge heatsync
 

h9826790

macrumors G5
Apr 3, 2014
12,800
5,622
Hong Kong
Hard to tell, I am not 100% sure if north bridge overheat will give you the same LED warning or not. However, that's obviously broken. And the rivet is cheap to fix. Why now just give it a try before any other more expensive / risky solution?
 
Last edited:

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Hard to tell, I am not 100% sure if north bridge overheat will give you the same LED warning or not. However, that's obviously broken. And the rivet is cheap to fixed. Why now just give it a try before any other more expensive / risky solution?
Yep. ordering adhesive
 

Gav Mack

macrumors 68020
Jun 15, 2008
2,192
17
Sagittarius A*
nope. can i try booting it without the big heatsync? once big heatsync goes on, it covers the northbridge heatsync
Kids bedtime in the way had to rush. I have little zalman type heatsink to just stick on top of a die.

My guide of running a cpu minus the heat sink which harks back to melting Athlon XP's for amusement is probably 6-8 seconds naked bearing in mind the size of the westmere die. Don't use the power button pull the cord or a switch on the plug socket it takes too long...

You could have cooked the northbridge chip if it doesn't work, not sure if it gives the same fault readings. Never had one of those reballed either but I have used the resin before to stick them down.

Finding a rivet to hold it down maybe a better idea or feign ignorance when you exchange your processor board and have glued it!
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Kids bedtime in the way had to rush. I have little zalman type heatsink to just stick on top of a die.

My guide of running a cpu minus the heat sink which harks back to melting Athlon XP's for amusement is probably 6-8 seconds naked bearing in mind the size of the westmere die. Don't use the power button pull the cord or a switch on the plug socket it takes too long...

You could have cooked the northbridge chip if it doesn't work, not sure if it gives the same fault readings. Never had one of those reballed either but I have used the resin before to stick them down.

Finding a rivet to hold it down maybe a better idea or feign ignorance when you exchange your processor board and have glued it!
Its not under warranty anymore so if resin doesn't work i will just get another board on ebay. Saw few of them fairly affordable. I'll check around maybe i have the rivet in my parts stash.
 

Gav Mack

macrumors 68020
Jun 15, 2008
2,192
17
Sagittarius A*
Its not under warranty anymore so if resin doesn't work i will just get another board on ebay. Saw few of them fairly affordable. I'll check around maybe i have the rivet in my parts stash.
Parts stash a good idea I can think of a few bits I could jam in there from mine just to hold it in place for a few minutes. Reckon likely it's cooked the northbridge but you need to double check to be certain. They heat up fairly fast but nothing like a cpu and yours is dead from cold. It probably broke off overnight and cooked.
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Parts stash a good idea I can think of a few bits I could jam in there from mine just to hold it in place for a few minutes. Reckon likely it's cooked the northbridge but you need to double check to be certain. They heat up fairly fast but nothing like a cpu and yours is dead from cold. It probably broke off overnight and cooked.
correct. its dead from cold start.
 

Gav Mack

macrumors 68020
Jun 15, 2008
2,192
17
Sagittarius A*
correct. its dead from cold start.
Northbridge Cattle trucked as we say over here is likely - but 4,1's flashed with lidded chips are predictably unpredictable with their fault codes with screw turns too so there is still hope. Fingers crossed your Xeon is ok fella
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Northbridge Cattle trucked as we say over here is likely - but 4,1's flashed with lidded chips are predictably unpredictable with their fault codes with screw turns too so there is still hope. Fingers crossed your Xeon is ok fella
i put the original cpu back in and it was same issue so cpus are fine.
 

kalex

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Oct 1, 2007
1,328
52
Good luck eBay hunting!
Hunt is over :)
Found processor board with original quad core processor for $180 shipped on ebay. It arrived today, transferred my ram and everything is up an drunning. OSX even restored my open apps at the time of the crash :)

Now going to attempt to fix the board i have and see if it works