Hi guys, I'm quite new here. I'm totally new to iOS, I was a Android fan-boy and still am, until my dad decided he wants to encourage me to code etc for iOS as he loves it. I will try to be as clear as possible, please if you need more info or if I posted in the wrong section I am truly sorry, and I'll suffer the consciousnesses ( I hate noobs over on XDA too, but now I am one ) . I got my dad's old iPhone 4 GSM A1332 it was running iOS 5.1 (not 5.1.1). I was to lazy to update, so I decided I'll see how it goes on 5.1, and so ended up jailbreaking 5.1. I downloaded Redsn0w 0.9.15b3 for Windows ( Running Win 7, but have access to a mac ) . I got my iPhone ready ( DFU etc. ) Pressed the jailbreak button ( Untethered ) and presto, I saw a lot of text looking like DOS, then I saw a pineapple with a loading bar and text saying "Moving Apps". After that my iPhone rebooted and Redsn0w said "Done!" . My iPhone kept hanging at the Apple logo. After reading some guides etc. I got it to turn off with ( Home and Power ). I got it into restore mode and hooked it up to iTunes. I clicked restore ( and update as 6.1.3 came out ) It downloaded and when it got to verify, it said ERROR 3194. Which I found out was when it can't communicate to the Apple server for signing. I edited my host files etc, with no luck. I then got TinyUmbrella, and started the TTS server, when I then click Restore on iTunes, I get passed the verification, but then get error 11. Guides say that this is because I don't have my SHSH files ( I am not sure about my facts here ). But what I don't understand is that I am upgrading to the newest so Apple should sign it, right? Also I have tried DFU and PWNED DFU mode. I have tried pointing Redsn0w to the IPSW file and using the "Just boot" and "Jailbreak" options. Both still didn't fix the hang at the logo. I also tried doing the Jailbreak then pushing it out of recovery. I also tried updating with our mac, and doing the TinyUmbrella and hosts thing trough the terminal there too. Still hanged at the Shiny Apple logo. I have a 5.1 and a 6.1.3 IPSW . Is there anyway I can get my iPhone working without using iTunes to restore ( Unless you know how I can fix the errors ) and without having ANY SHSH Blobs ( Didn't know of these at the time I jailbreaked, my noob mistake, I know. Thanks for your time in reading this! Regards, PulseDroid.