Here is how Apple is poised to crush FaceBook/Meta

[rezwits]

I have been working on AR/VR for about 20 years. I have a pair of two full fledged suits created from the ground up and evolved from 1997, based on Sony Glasstrons back with Pismo's and now at MacBook Air 11". Now this has been a side project due to when the "weather" is cool because man the suit gets HOT, just my own temps, not the computers (all tho they get hot too). So I have some experience studying the field.

But here is a serious event/problem that is going to happen in the future unless corrected by FaceBook, now known as Meta. But at a preface I think they are dead before they even start or get out of the "gate."

The main question is, in about oh 2-3 years, after 'Meta' releases say another offering of Oculus and such, at a ballpark $599, $499, $399, etc what will they do when Apple offers their Goggles? Don't get me wrong Apple probably will come in at $1999 $1499, $1299 etc. But People will buy Meta Oculus and use them once a month or once every three months in the end. Why because the quality just won't be there and when Apple starts gaining traction. Like I said I have had this AR/VR hobby for 20+ years, and why is this relevant? Because the tech just isn't there, it's almost there. But the main requirement are chips that are in devices like the AirPods + Apple Watch + Apple iPhone & even the MacBooks. Meta will take the low road and their followers will say "They are good enough for gaming" and Apple's are good for "Work" but too expensive for gaming.

When Apple has Super Small, Low Power, Cool, Fast chips with and that can drive say (Two) 4k 3x2 inch screens with a port for an external monitor for instance, in say a developer edition. With 32 GPU cores, 16 GB of RAM etc etc, you know a really SMALL beefy ARM chip specifically designed for the Apple Goggles, there will be no HOPE for Meta (or HoloLens if we even need to go there)...

Who can FaceBook/Meta BEG and I mean BEG to get them the Silicon they need? To cut to the chase I only see them purchasing Magic Leap (wherever they are at) or PLEADING with Google to get them on the inside track of Google Silicon or Qualcomm? Samsung? or some NVIDIA type ARM project?

The main issue is Intel is history, there is no way Intel will be able to compete nor Nvidia. What are you gonna put a 3080 video card strapped to your FACE! And that's where Apple Silicon is gonna shine INSANELY, the capability that the "integrated" GPU Apple has "Unleashed" vs the Intel Iris is ridiculous the gains area IMENSE!

To me it's lights OUT for Meta before the game is afoot. Unless Magic Leap has something, but then what ditch Oculus? Or like I stated BEG Google? Or you're gonna tell me FaceBook has some secret Fabs and experience that even Intel doesn't have, and that they can crank out Silicon in 6 months? Please enough with that stupidity!

But what is key is the "EXPERIENCE." And I emphasize with caps because it's [double] the experience. The experience Apple has with the chips (and again let's not even mention Operating System or get into unix/macOS/iOS/Darwin) and the experience that customers will get versus Oculus. And in 2025 when Apple has cemented their superior platform, 3-5 years after that well we'll get regular prescription glasses for a seamless AR.

Does anyone see how Meta can compete when INTEL is at there PEAK? and been there for over 5+ years? I mean I know NVIDIA is making strides with GPUs but to have a completely Wireless Head Up display with ML deciphering your "hand gestures" with "Lidar" and such camera technologies, at the super small scale, I don't see who Meta can BEG.

One last thing, Apple only gave away their OS once back in the Power Computing and Radius "MP" computer days, and then quickly said WHOA made a mistake won't do that again. So Meta or anyone else can forget about Apple giving them Apple Silicon or Apple Systems, or any Tech advantages.

Honestly I am just looking for some die hard Apple Fans that can see the Light at the end of the Tunnel that is hugely LIT up while those in the Microsoft/Intel/NVIDIA world are about to get SMOKED once and for all...

Let's have a party? LOL

 

[JahBoolean]

I'm opening a cold one to what you said. Here's to wiping out the predatory practices of Meta/facebook off the face of the earth.

 

[zakarhino]

The bottom line for me is that any such "Metaverse" will have to be completely open, decentralized, non-proprietary, and not controlled by any centralized corporation (be it Apple, Facebook, or anyone else). The power MUST be distributed. I doubt Apple or Facebook are interested in doing that.

 

[veena3]

I have been working on AR/VR for about 20 years. I have a pair of two full fledged suits created from the ground up and evolved from 1997, based on Sony Glasstrons back with Pismo's and now at MacBook Air 11". Now this has been a side project due to when the "weather" is cool because man the suit gets HOT, just my own temps, not the computers (all tho they get hot too). So I have some experience studying the field.

But here is a serious event/problem that is going to happen in the future unless corrected by FaceBook, now known as Meta. But at a preface I think they are dead before they even start or get out of the "gate."

The main question is, in about oh 2-3 years, after 'Meta' releases say another offering of Oculus and such, at a ballpark $599, $499, $399, etc what will they do when Apple offers their Goggles? Don't get me wrong Apple probably will come in at $1999 $1499, $1299 etc. But People will buy Meta Oculus and use them once a month or once every three months in the end. Why because the quality just won't be there and when Apple starts gaining traction. Like I said I have had this AR/VR hobby for 20+ years, and why is this relevant? Because the tech just isn't there, it's almost there. But the main requirement are chips that are in devices like the AirPods + Apple Watch + Apple iPhone & even the MacBooks. Meta will take the low road and their followers will say "They are good enough for gaming" and Apple's are good for "Work" but too expensive for gaming.

When Apple has Super Small, Low Power, Cool, Fast chips with and that can drive say (Two) 4k 3x2 inch screens with a port for an external monitor for instance, in say a developer edition. With 32 GPU cores, 16 GB of RAM etc etc, you know a really SMALL beefy ARM chip specifically designed for the Apple Goggles, there will be no HOPE for Meta (or HoloLens if we even need to go there)...

Who can FaceBook/Meta BEG and I mean BEG to get them the Silicon they need? To cut to the chase I only see them purchasing Magic Leap (wherever they are at) or PLEADING with Google to get them on the inside track of Google Silicon or Qualcomm? Samsung? or some NVIDIA type ARM project?

The main issue is Intel is history, there is no way Intel will be able to compete nor Nvidia. What are you gonna put a 3080 video card strapped to your FACE! And that's where Apple Silicon is gonna shine INSANELY, the capability that the "integrated" GPU Apple has "Unleashed" vs the Intel Iris is ridiculous the gains area IMENSE!

To me it's lights OUT for Meta before the game is afoot. Unless Magic Leap has something, but then what ditch Oculus? Or like I stated BEG Google? Or you're gonna tell me FaceBook has some secret Fabs and experience that even Intel doesn't have, and that they can crank out Silicon in 6 months? Please enough with that stupidity!

But what is key is the "EXPERIENCE." And I emphasize with caps because it's [double] the experience. The experience Apple has with the chips (and again let's not even mention Operating System or get into unix/macOS/iOS/Darwin) and the experience that customers will get versus Oculus. And in 2025 when Apple has cemented their superior platform, 3-5 years after that well we'll get regular prescription glasses for a seamless AR.

Does anyone see how Meta can compete when INTEL is at there PEAK? and been there for over 5+ years? I mean I know NVIDIA is making strides with GPUs but to have a completely Wireless Head Up display with ML deciphering your "hand gestures" with "Lidar" and such camera technologies, at the super small scale, I don't see who Meta can BEG.

One last thing, Apple only gave away their OS once back in the Power Computing and Radius "MP" computer days, and then quickly said WHOA made a mistake won't do that again. So Meta or anyone else can forget about Apple giving them Apple Silicon or Apple Systems, or any Tech advantages.

Honestly I am just looking for some die hard Apple Fans that can see the Light at the end of the Tunnel that is hugely LIT up while those in the Microsoft/Intel/NVIDIA world are about to get SMOKED once and for all...

Let's have a party? LOL

I think it depends if metaverse will be running fully in cloud like Google Stadia service or if you would need to download and run your local version of metaverse. I think different companies will start with one or another approach and it will develop along the way So I can see:

1. Metaverse will run on computer or powerful phone, connect online to metaverse servers for multiplayer and connect to VR headset like a display.
2. Metaverse will run in VR headset with powerful CPU&GPU and doesn't have to connect to computer/phone just to internet. I think the technology is not there yet. Maybe with 3 nm or rather 1 nm for such GPUs.
3. Combination of 1&3 like Metaverse running in cloud, streaming to your computer/phone and VR headset like your display and console. I think this version will be soon obsolete by the next option 4.
4. Metaverse will be running fully in cloud and be streamed to your VR headset. I was quite surprised like playing AAA game in Google Stadia is great in the browser with other 50 more tabs open without lagging (but no surprise, it's just streaming and some feedback from keyboard back), so there's no reason why even today's 5 nm chips couldn't handle this directly in the device connected by wifi or 5G to the internet.

Just an option 2 needs state of the art VR headsets. Other three options are most likely about quality of displays and comfortable of use. Such displays can manufacture the leaders like LG, Samsung, Sony etc.
I think all options will converge to option 4 in the future anyway, I think.


So, I don't see a problem for facebook/meta/oculus to develop quality VR headset if they want.

In the beginning there will be probably different metaverses, it will be next big thing, so lot of companies would like to get their hands in that. Maybe we will have more metaverses and you could connect between them through some portals.

The think is how Apple would have approach this appstore in-app purchases thing because I believe companies would not want Apple to have 30% cut in their in-metaverse economy, that would be insane :-D


So, if Epic or any other company creates first metaverse with amazing Unreal Engine 5 they will not be listed in Apple appstore if there will be in-app economy? To have economy out of dolar but with crypto in-apps is still seen by Apple like to cut fee on that? How you could use Apple VR set to get into that universe if Apple will not list your universe in their appstore?

If VR headset could be connected with computer with MacOS, no problem, you can handle it through computer without an app store. If Apple VR headset will connect just to iOS or iPadOS, that's different.

 

[rezwits]

I think it depends if metaverse will be running fully in cloud like Google Stadia service or if you would need to download and run your local version of metaverse. I think different companies will start with each or another access and it will developer along. So I can see.

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Yep, someone else mentioned a Stadia like setup, which is definitely an avenue they might have to take.