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Nice to see the internals. As expected there are no changes as the design continues to be the same. Also good to see that the base model continues to have dual NAND chip.
For most consumers it’s a non issue

Random read and write performance is more important for most of their customers use cases.
 
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If we’re talking ram, hard drive and battery, there’s zero reason for what you’re saying. There’s just no defending the fact that they decided to stop letting people upgrade these.
But people will defend apples contempt towards repairability, the environment, and their customers.
 
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If we’re talking ram, hard drive and battery, there’s zero reason for what you’re saying. There’s just no defending the fact that they decided to stop letting people upgrade these.
Exactly. That was my comment about Apple making Mac as disposable devices. Apple user since 1990 here, I sold my last MacBook in 2020, disgusted by their policy. You are out of storage ? Buy a new one. You need more RAM ? Buy a new one. Even if everything else is still fine for your needs, like keyboard, screen and CPU.
 
Exactly. That was my comment about Apple making Mac as disposable devices. Apple user since 1990 here, I sold my last MacBook in 2020, disgusted by their policy. You are out of storage ? Buy a new one. You need more RAM ? Buy a new one. Even if everything else is still fine for your needs, like keyboard, screen and CPU.

Just buy what you need up front. I haven't upgraded a computer for at least 15 years.
 
But people will defend apples contempt towards repairability, the environment, and their customers.

I think most people are just unaware what repairs are done on computers. No one ever bothers upgrading anything other than some enthusiast or professional end users these days. The majority of things are screens, ports and batteries and because of the high level of integration, not a lot else goes wrong.

What is a problem is things like Lenovo and Dell soldering the principal USB-C connectors on the motherboard of the laptop. One knock and that port is dead. It literally tears all the traces off the board. I have a (work) Dell which cost just short of £3000, much more than the equivalent specification macbook. Sure the RAM and SSD are end user replaceable but they aren't ever going to be replaced. However the thing gets replugged 20 times a day into various things and those connectors are going to get knackered like the last £3000 laptop that went to the recycler because the ports wore out after 18 months. And Dell managed to entirely fail to do anything with their extended warranty because they didn't have any parts available at all for it and the laptop was discontinued.

Then there's Asus where the device disappears into a void for 3 months and you're lucky you get it back.

Then there's Lenovo who are currently dealing with the Digital River fallout so you just can't get parts. You're lucky if they sent them out before last time anyway, with at least 20% of them never turning up.

And Samsung, which the repairer network in the UK is run by a third party who picks the cheapest option for them rather than the best outcome for the customer (this is usually bill you for something that they didn't do and send it back)

If anyone complains at Apple they really need to look at the other vendors first.
 
I think most people are just unaware what repairs are done on computers. No one ever bothers upgrading anything other than some enthusiast or professional end users these days. The majority of things are screens, ports and batteries and because of the high level of integration, not a lot else goes wrong.

What is a problem is things like Lenovo and Dell soldering the principal USB-C connectors on the motherboard of the laptop. One knock and that port is dead. It literally tears all the traces off the board. I have a (work) Dell which cost just short of £3000, much more than the equivalent specification macbook. Sure the RAM and SSD are end user replaceable but they aren't ever going to be replaced. However the thing gets replugged 20 times a day into various things and those connectors are going to get knackered like the last £3000 laptop that went to the recycler because the ports wore out after 18 months. And Dell managed to entirely fail to do anything with their extended warranty because they didn't have any parts available at all for it and the laptop was discontinued.

Then there's Asus where the device disappears into a void for 3 months and you're lucky you get it back.

Then there's Lenovo who are currently dealing with the Digital River fallout so you just can't get parts. You're lucky if they sent them out before last time anyway, with at least 20% of them never turning up.

And Samsung, which the repairer network in the UK is run by a third party who picks the cheapest option for them rather than the best outcome for the customer (this is usually bill you for something that they didn't do and send it back)

If anyone complains at Apple they really need to look at the other vendors first.
If manufacturers incorporated the connectors as a replaceable module, it would save millions of pounds worth of otherwise fine computers from landfill or recycling (which is still energy and resource intensive).

At least most connectors now have the most fragile part on the cable side these days. And I was pleased to see Apple go back to MagSafe. That connector is way more durable than any other power connector type, including USBC in terms of connection cycles. The surface connector is also pretty awesome in the same way and is actually more functional.

But one problem that remains is that most connectors are small these days, they are not as durable as the larger versions. Compare micro and mini hdmi to full size. The full size port is way more robust and resistant to debris like dust etc.
 
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Parts pairing continues to be the biggest bunch of BS from a company already famous for its consumer unfriendly proprietary BS.
Imagine if car makers did this. You can buy a battery or an oil filter through a third party that are every bit as good if not better than OEM, but if you dare install either without paying the Apple tax, your entire vehicle is bricked.
Now defend Apple’s parts policies.
I bite. It's not security if you can swap out the components and chips and thus bypass security. Or use a third party component that skimps that acts like the real part, but doesn't function that way. Also it reduces theft if components cannot be reused and thus have lower value.
 
You made my point for me.
What is this game called that you're playing and collecting points for?
Major? So amazing that people ever mention them when discussing the two? The big one was two versus one ssd for the 256 configuration going back to the m1 mba. You made my point for me.
So what was your point exactly? Ridiculing opening Macbook and looking inside? What you were trying to achieve?
 
If we’re talking ram, hard drive and battery, there’s zero reason for what you’re saying. There’s just no defending the fact that they decided to stop letting people upgrade these.
The ram is integrated into the SOC for faster access. And I would not trust a non-oem battery. I will however agree with the self ssd upgrade.
 
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What is this game called that you're playing and collecting points for?

So what was your point exactly? Ridiculing opening Macbook and looking inside? What you were trying to achieve?

What are you trying to achieve? No clue why I am not allowed in your estimation to comment, it was just that a comment. Wasn't trying to achieve anything. No lofty goals. Wasn't trying to boost my ego by putting someone else down for example. Does every comment here need justification?

But sure, if you read here at all, you know a lot of people obsess over the smallest of details as if they matter in the use of the machine. In this case, not much too comment derisively on. It's the same. And yet someone will say they won't buy it based on this. If I am commenting on anything, it's that. Sorry if my comment fell below your level of acceptable.

Not everything has to be a contest. But if you need it to be, you win :)
 
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What are you trying to achieve? No clue why I am not allowed in your estimation to comment, it was just that a comment. Wasn't trying to achieve anything. No lofty goals. Wasn't trying to boost my ego by putting someone else down for example. Does every comment here need justification?

But sure, if you read here at all, you know a lot of people obsess over the smallest of details as if they matter in the use of the machine. In this case, not much too comment derisively on. It's the same. And yet someone will say they won't buy it based on this. If I am commenting on anything, it's that. Sorry if my comment fell below your level of acceptable.

Not everything has to be a contest. But if you need it to be, you win :)
lol, that's the only way I can comment on this. Have a nice day.
 
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But people will defend apples contempt towards repairability, the environment, and their customers.
I certainly have contempt towards Apple for the treatment of customers more than anything, I was seriously wronged by them, now that I know their policies my expectations have been adjusted and I have a lesson learned. They also are working towards better environmental care, but unfortunately their designs to be as good as they are do limit upgrade ability. It’s unfortunate they have crappy customer policies that are not customer friendly.
 
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On environmental care: It is far too late to stop runaway global warming. No company especially can do anything to halt this other than ceasing to exist. Anything that involves a production line, capitalism and consumerism cannot be green. There was a chance to get a handle on things in the 70s but the ship has sailed. Any belief that capitalism and environmental care can exist side by side is part of what got us here to begin with, it's foolish.
 
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On environmental care: It is far too late to stop runaway global warming. No company especially can do anything to halt this other than ceasing to exist. Anything that involves a production line, capitalism and consumerism cannot be green. There was a chance to get a handle on things in the 70s but the ship has sailed. Any belief that capitalism and environmental care can exist side by side is part of what got us here to begin with, it's foolish.
Thanks for the environmental impact statement. Didn’t know.😂 This place is to much from one complain fest to another. One minute we are complaining about horrible
Apple ai the next the destruction of our planet, all with devices that don’t do the planet any good.
 
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So in all these years the M4 is slower in read/write than the M1?

Not the M4 itself. Differences in SSD performance are due to the specific SSD model/suppliers that Apple uses for each model.

SSD performance also varies by size - other things being equal, bigger SSDs are usually faster than smaller ones.
 
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If the car is specifically tuned for a a certain air filter, I would want to purchase that filter from the manufacturer to make sure that it was calibrated properly for the best performance.

*imagines a team of highly trained air-filter calibrators, carefully tuning each air filter specifically for your car* 😂
 
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On environmental care: It is far too late to stop runaway global warming. No company especially can do anything to halt this other than ceasing to exist. Anything that involves a production line, capitalism and consumerism cannot be green. There was a chance to get a handle on things in the 70s but the ship has sailed. Any belief that capitalism and environmental care can exist side by side is part of what got us here to begin with, it's foolish.
Climate change isnt a binary, we’ve past where we can reasonably stop a lot of bad stuff, but we can absolutely still make things worse. This isnt a “eh, we cant stop anything anymore so may as well pollute as much as we want” thing, there’s tons of room for more pollution to make the future even worse than the one we’ve already set a path on
 
Exactly. That was my comment about Apple making Mac as disposable devices. Apple user since 1990 here, I sold my last MacBook in 2020, disgusted by their policy. You are out of storage ? Buy a new one. You need more RAM ? Buy a new one. Even if everything else is still fine for your needs, like keyboard, screen and CPU.
Have you purchased a Windows Laptop recently?

Know what their RAM is? Soldered.

It is not just Apple anymore.
 
Have you purchased a Windows Laptop recently?

Know what their RAM is? Soldered.

It is not just Apple anymore.

I am not the person you where replying to, but yes I purchased a Windows laptop recently with replacable/upgradable RAM, SSD and batteries. You make it sound like all recent Windows laptops have soldered RAM like Apple but there are myriads of upgradable Windows PC brands to choose from.
 
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Your use case is even less common. A very small percentage of users ever upgrade.

So?

Having an upgradable device benefits them, too. It increases the resale value of the device (by making it more valuable to others) and also keeps OEM prices for RAM and storage sane. Would Apple be able to get away with charging $200 for 256GB of SSD if they made machines that could easily be upgraded by the end user, using commodity parts? I doubt it.
 
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