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So … this year’s entry-level camera is on a par with the flagship models from the year before last … and … people here are upset because ...

… um, why, exactly?

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On images they’ll look at once on a phone screen or print out at 7”x5” as well! It’s not like these photos are being blown up for ad campaigning.

Nobody the 16e is aimed at (which isn’t people buying Pro models) will ever notice the difference.
 
I have 2 of them.. the cameras are not great.. especially the video camera.
 
A "moody" sensor. Is that going to be rolled into Apple Intelligence? Siri is already moody enough.
 
Holy smokes! People are astonished Apple charges more money for a better iPhone with a better camera? And less money for a less capable iPhone having a less capable camera?

What's the world coming to?
Do you have fun or feel smart completely misrepresenting opinions you disagree with?
Of course that's not the point, we're just kind of pissed they cut so many corners on a phone that only saves you pretty little money.
 
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Do you have fun or feel smary completely misrepresenting opinions you disagree with?
Of course that's not the point, we're just kind of pissed they cut so many corners on a phone that only saves you pretty little money.

Well... if it saves you pretty little money (your view, not mine), simply purchase the better phone that has no corners cut.
 
I still believe that we no longer buy cell phones that can take pictures.. we now buy cameras that have the ability to make phone calls.
 
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the issue is that it is a sidegrade at best, and in many ways a downgrade, from the 14 Pro. Maybe even the 13 pro. Still looking for the phone that will allow me to get off the pro line. The 17 is looking more and more like that
 
Not impressed with the camera specifications but for an entry level iPhone, this is to be expected from Apple.
 
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Well... if it saves you pretty little money (your view, not mine), simply purchase the better phone that has no corners cut.
So we can't talk about how bad it is or suggest that other people should buy something else? On a forum about Apple products? Because.... you don't like it? Guess we'll keep doing that, feels very normal to me.
I could tell you to stop reading this forum instead.
 
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Actually, I think the lack of macro is good. Before macro was enabled by the ultra wide camera, it was integrated into the main camera since the 3GS. So, when taking photos of objects 6-7” away from the lens, like daylily blooms, it does well. I have won photo contests with these kinds of photos. But, with the ultra wide camera getting macro, that capability was taken away from the main lens. So, when taking photos at 1x, it actually crops what the 0.5x lens sees, giving a scaled up 3MP photo on my 15 Pro. My daylily photos look noticeably worse in 1x on the 15 Pro compared a family member’s 13 (not pro). However, the digital 12MP 2x lens helps to alleviate those problems somewhat.
 
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Hah... that's great. And I want a Rolex watch at the price of a Timex.
Timex keeps more accurate time.;) Cesium (atomic clock) > quartz (most watches) > mechanical (most luxury watches and Seiko).

Me I want to hire an eagle, but all I offer is chicken feed.
Them: 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Me: Why are laughing in my face, sir?🥹🥲
 
So we can't talk about how bad it is or suggest that other people should buy something else? On a forum about Apple products? Because.... you don't like it? Guess we'll keep doing that, feels very normal to me.
I could tell you to stop reading this forum instead.

Nice try. I never said you can't talk about anything. I merely suggested if the much better phone cost very little money extra, why not go that route. Seems you're unhappy because I voiced my opinion. Pot, kettle...
 
Interested in hearing peoples' experiences and opinions who 'upgraded' from iPhone 13 to this.
 
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Yet another example of Tightwad Tim giving customers less in order to maximize profits.

The very first iPhone SE had the same camera as the then-current flagship iPhone 6s. The very first iPhone SE sold for a starting price of $399.
The iPhone 16E may not appeal to your requirements. But we’ll see how it sells.
 
The iPhone 16E may not appeal to your requirements. But we’ll see how it sells.

Apple will likely sell a lot of 16E iPhones.

Many people here erroneously assume the bulk of Apple's 2+ billion customer base are techies who hang out on tech forums, and are dazzled by and need to have the latest and greatest tech in a phone.

When in reality, they're just ordinary non-tech people: teachers, carpenters, real estate agents, police officers, attorneys, letter carriers, artists, nurses, gardeners, musicians, bus drivers, tile setters, plumbers, retail sales clerks, janitors, car salespeople, etc, etc.

And just need a basic Apple iPhone, at a great price. The iPhone 16E will meet their needs.
 
Actually, I think the lack of macro is good. Before macro was enabled by the ultra wide camera, it was integrated into the main camera since the 3GS. So, when taking photos of objects 6-7” away from the lens, like daylily blooms, it does well. I have won photo contests with these kinds of photos. But, with the ultra wide camera getting macro, that capability was taken away from the main lens. So, when taking photos at 1x, it actually crops what the 0.5x lens sees, giving a scaled up 3MP photo on my 15 Pro. My daylily photos look noticeably worse in 1x on the 15 Pro compared a family member’s 13 (not pro). However, the digital 12MP 2x lens helps to alleviate those problems somewhat.

The 16e can get roughly 4" and still maintain focus - it's kind of impressive actually. I know some other areas suffer because of that - but within the context of losing an official macro mode, it's not bad.
 
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