Here's What's New in Apple's Updated iCloud Terms and Conditions Taking Effect Next Week

[nottorp]

Isnt't CSAM already illegal? How much of an idiot can you be to put that in your EULA?

Besides overpaying those engineers that are tasked to make the devices thinner, now they're overpaying a bunch of lawyers?

And why is this even a news item, besides the "Cook is an idiot, and Apple will be as ****** as Google given time" category?

 

[cjsuk]

Sounds like you really need a cabin in a remote woods area with no TV, internet, power, etc.

I regularly do that sort of thing. Recent accommodation...

 

[CarAnalogy]

Kind of seems like you are giving South Park too much credit.

The terms and conditions are called a "contract of adhesion." We agree to these all the time.

Airline ticket? Check.

Automobile financing? Check.

Doctor visit? Check.

It's impossible to negotiate these - it's either take it or leave it. Practically, it's impossible to negotiate these anyway. So they are not illegal because you have the option to decline them. We accept them out of convenience.

What about cases like when Roku locked the entire user interface until you agreed to binding arbitration?

They aren’t generally illegal because they aren’t generally unreasonable and don’t get struck down in court. But a lot of companies are pushing it lately.

 

[onenorth]

What about cases like when Roku locked the entire user interface until you agreed to binding arbitration?

They aren’t generally illegal because they aren’t generally unreasonable and don’t get struck down in court. But a lot of companies are pushing it lately.

Everyone is doing arbitration these days. What Roku did was to force users to opt into the terms rather than opt out, which is much more common.

 

[JamesMay82]

I think it’s good that they scanning for the images as people doing those horrible things should be punished severely as it’s the sickest thing a human can do to a child.

However I wonder how good the system is and will anyone get falsely accused.

 

[mrochester]

Apple didn't make it as simple as using iCloud. If I could back up my phone to my NAS instead of iCloud I would love to.

I suppose I could backup to a PC, then store that on the NAS, but that's still nowhere near as easy as using iCloud. Plus, I'd need to dig up a USB-A to C cable.

Apple doesn’t have control over your NAS therefore cannot make it as easy as using iCloud.

Its almost like some people don’t realise what makes Apple so good at what it does.

 

[iHorseHead]

How did they nail it? I couldn't find a decent image from the Human CentiPad episode. Everyone just clicked agree and then Apple came and started collecting them for a human centipede, which they agreed to in the terms and conditions.

Butters is the only one they didn't come for, because he actually read it and clicked disagree.

How could someone actually disagree to the terms in real life? They'd have to immediately stop using all Apple products, without even a chance to get back in to get their data out without agreeing.

Both scenarios are completely ridiculous and should be illegal. Which is (was?) South Park's genius. Demonstrating that fact with an over the top, technically plausible scenario.

Well, yeah, when you put it that way it makes more sense, because a human centipede made no sense to me and your post has made me think of getting an Android phone and a PC.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Apple doesn’t have control over your NAS therefore cannot make it as easy as using iCloud.

Yet Time Machine can easily backup my Mac to my NAS. Weird, right?

 

[I7guy]

Isnt't CSAM already illegal? How much of an idiot can you be to put that in your EULA?

Besides overpaying those engineers that are tasked to make the devices thinner, now they're overpaying a bunch of lawyers?

And why is this even a news item, besides the "Cook is an idiot, and Apple will be as ****** as Google given time" category?

Sounds like you are asking for a shareholder revolt.

 

[CarAnalogy]

Well, yeah, when you put it that way it makes more sense, because a human centipede made no sense to me and your post has made me think of getting an Android phone and a PC.

Ha their EULAs are just as bad or worse.

 

[iHorseHead]

Ha their EULAs are just as bad or worse.

Tthere are plenty of custom ROMs and you don't have to rely on Google, such as LineageOS? There are also plenty of Linux distros out there.

 

[Mr_Ed]

It's a bit interesting how everyone who is saying, "Well, I have nothing to hide but..." is listing what they are going to do as if they *do* have something to hide.

So, we should be willing to freely share our data with corporations, governments, or anyone else in order to be presumed innocent? Sounds like a real blast of a society to live in.

I like this quote from a mediocre movie (Anon):
“It’s not that I have something to hide. I have nothing I want you to see.”

Bottom line: My data is no one else’s business.

 

[onenorth]

So, we should be willing to freely share our data with corporations, governments, or anyone else in order to be presumed innocent? Sounds like a real blast of a society to live in.

I like this quote from a mediocre movie (Anon):
“It’s not that I have something to hide. I have nothing I want you to see.”

Bottom line: My data is no one else’s business.

I agree. As an attorney (not criminal defense but I know enough to be dangerous), we know that something that you say to the police, which you believe is completely innocent ("I have nothing to hide") can be used within a context that you are not aware of. The police may be investigating something you are unaware of, and anything you tell them could potentially be used in that investigation. For example, if you are stopped for speeding and the cop asks where you are coming from, you might say "the grocery store" thinking it is harmless. But little do you know that the police are investigating a robbery at the grocery store, and now have you on their radar. How much fun would that be?

Anything you say can and will be used against you, no matter how angelic you may be.

 

[Charlesrfinal]

I like your solution.

I knew years ago that this CSAM thing would rear its ugly head all over again.

We STILL have people being held in prison without having had a trial. We can’t trust CSAM. We can’t trust Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Nvidia, AMD, ARM, or any of them when they put one foot into the government’s bed.

They can already put anybody in prison for any reason that they desire. Or no reason at all; the fact is, they don’t have to prove anything. All they have to do is accuse you and plant evidence. Away you go to prison. Congratulations, CSAM just made it that much easier.

There are many that say, well if you have nothing to hide...

My take is ok they're scanning for hashed images of kids... today. Tomorrow it may be anti establishment memes or something else. I don't like the slippery slope that can lead to and for the folks that say well if you have nothing to hide, they say that until it comes for them and then they cry for mercy.

Add to my solution, before my data can get to a backup drive, it lives on proton drive.