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had 3 bowls of plain oatmeal and water, no sugar

was surprised at how good it tasted

i am going cold turkey on sugar as much as i can as well

It gets old after awhile, trust me. What I add are frozen blueberries (Costco sells big bags of them) and either slivered almonds or walnuts. It helps to live in the nut capital of the US!

I cook a lot at home and the only oil I have on hand is olive oil. I think it's made a big difference.

Cutting out sugar was one of the hardest things for me to do, at first I cut it to one candy bar a week. I've slacked a little bit now but for me it was establishing the discipline.

As far as the eggs go, I buy free range eggs at the farmer's market. They taste incredible and make the best omelets. I eat about 6-8 eggs a month.

Up your fruit and vegetable intake. Apples are a great snack food and I eat probably two a day. They're sweet and have lots of fiber.


The biggest impact for me, was always making sure that I had food on hand that I liked. You can buy all the health food you want, but if you don't like it... I buy multi packs of chicken breasts and freeze them. Big bags of organic brown rice, apples by the dozen, cabbage, etc. The point being is that by having food in the cupboard that you like to eat, you'll be less likely to snack on unhealthy stuff.

Food is something that should be enjoyed, not feared.
 
I have high cholesterol.......306 with a 41 for HDL and 244 for LDL

I weigh 178 and am 5'11'' and am in good shape (can run a 5:45 mile for example)

Why is this happening to me ******?

Dietary and lifestyle management are important components of treating this dangerous trend, but at this age and with a BMI of 25, there's more going on here than a few fried eggs. I predict that some sort of statin will ultimately be a component of treatment.
 
It gets old after awhile, trust me. What I add are frozen blueberries (Costco sells big bags of them) and either slivered almonds or walnuts. It helps to live in the nut capital of the US!

I cook a lot at home and the only oil I have on hand is olive oil. I think it's made a big difference.

Cutting out sugar was one of the hardest things for me to do, at first I cut it to one candy bar a week. I've slacked a little bit now but for me it was establishing the discipline.

As far as the eggs go, I buy free range eggs at the farmer's market. They taste incredible and make the best omelets. I eat about 6-8 eggs a month.

Up your fruit and vegetable intake. Apples are a great snack food and I eat probably two a day. They're sweet and have lots of fiber.


The biggest impact for me, was always making sure that I had food on hand that I liked. You can buy all the health food you want, but if you don't like it... I buy multi packs of chicken breasts and freeze them. Big bags of organic brown rice, apples by the dozen, cabbage, etc. The point being is that by having food in the cupboard that you like to eat, you'll be less likely to snack on unhealthy stuff.

Food is something that should be enjoyed, not feared.

Yep. Let's not forget plenty of antioxidants. Blueberries, black raspberries, pomegranates- all good stuff for tackling nasty cholesterol.
 
Dietary and lifestyle management are important components of treating this dangerous trend, but at this age and with a BMI of 25, there's more going on here than a few fried eggs. I predict that some sort of statin will ultimately be a component of treatment.

Callin me fat? I can assure you I am anything but

The BMI is a WORTHLESS indicator
 
Callin me fat? I can assure you I am anything but

The BMI is a WORTHLESS indicator
Your BMI suggests you are normal weight (rare in America these days). If you don't even know that, then your opinion of the accuracy of BMI is, at best, suspect.

You have a genetics problem. You're gonna have to watch that for the rest of your life. See a doctor. Get started on managing the problem.
 
Your BMI suggests you are normal weight (rare in America these days). If you don't even know that, then your opinion of the accuracy of BMI is, at best, suspect.

You have a genetics problem. You're gonna have to watch that for the rest of your life. See a doctor. Get started on managing the problem.

And my advice, if the doc tries to put you on pills, ask him what else you can do instead. Don't put pharmaceuticals in your body unless absolutely necessary. There are usually options, but they don't always tell you about those first.
 
And my advice, when the doc tries to put you on pills, ask him what you can do instead. Don't put pharmaceuticals in your body unless absolutely necessary. There are usually options, but they don't always tell you about those first.
Agreed. Go for the statins only if you can't manage it any other way.
 
And my advice, if the doc tries to put you on pills, ask him what else you can do instead. Don't put pharmaceuticals in your body unless absolutely necessary. There are usually options, but they don't always tell you about those first.

considering i wont be on a health plan in ohhhhhh 4 days (moving back to CO), i am going to resort to a better diet and things i can control now

i dont want to be on meds personally even if i had health insurance
 
Not, it makes it a tool that should be used along with other tools.

No as it is a VERY generalized ratio that wants to apply itself to each and every person

The BMI gives no indication of cardio health, V02max or anything. Just a mere ratio of height and weight aka useless.

A person can have a lower BMI but be much more out of shape than a person with a higher BMI. That right there should be a flag at how it should not be used as any sort of guideline

However, one can then argue that if you care about your health and live a healthy lifestyle, you could not care less what the BMI says as it won't do you any good
 
No as it is a VERY generalized ratio that wants to apply itself to each and every person

The BMI gives no indication of cardio health, V02max or anything. Just a mere ratio of height and weight aka useless.

A person can have a lower BMI but be much more out of shape than a person with a higher BMI. That right there should be a flag at how it should not be used as any sort of guideline

However, one can then argue that if you care about your health and live a healthy lifestyle, you could not care less what the BMI says as it won't do you any good

That's why it should be used as a complement to other tools.

Yes I did. Now explain its validity please

Just because there is such a thing as BMI, doesnt mean it should be used in all cases

Did anyone say it should be used in all cases?
 
That's why it should be used as a complement to other tools.



Did anyone say it should be used in all cases?

That is my point

It should not be used AT ALL as it is not accurate in many cases. If it is worthless in some cases, why would it be worthwhile for others? At what threshhold can you state that the BMI is a good indicator? You can't draw that line and have it be universal for everyone. I would much rather use a test that gave steadfast results than a hokey weight/height correlation. The ONLY "benefit" it has is it being a quick look up at the expense of lumping all body types an people onto a graph and categorizing them in many cases incorrectly

Tell me, what does the BMI tell you that other, more exact, fitness tests would not tell you? It adds zero value and in many cases false correlations between height and weight.
Exactly. I would never use BMI on its own.

Explain why now



My question is why use it at all? If the "measure" is deeply flawed, why even use it to begin with?
 
That is my point

It should not be used AT ALL as it is not accurate in many cases. If it is worthless in some cases, why would it be worthwhile for others? At what threshhold can you state that the BMI is a good indicator? You can't draw that line and have it be universal for everyone. I would much rather use a test that gave steadfast results than a hokey weight/height correlation. The ONLY "benefit" it has is it being a quick look up at the expense of lumping all body types an people onto a graph and categorizing them in many cases incorrectly

Tell me, what does the BMI tell you that other, more exact, fitness tests would not tell you? It adds zero value and in many cases false correlations between height and weight.


Explain why now




My question is why use it at all? If the "measure" is deeply flawed, why even use it to begin with?

In a very short example: Look at a football player (NFL for example). Their BMI will be much higher than an average Joe of the same height. Why? Muscle weighs more than fat. Does this mean they are in bad health?
 
It's not used to measure "health". BMI is used in medicine almost entirely as a guide, a "suggestion" as to how obese a person is. BMI is applied, and is reasonably accurate, in the middle two standard deviations of height and in people who have a typical American sedentary lifestyle. No doctor would use it as some kind of sole determiner of a person's health, but would, and should, use it as a guide to a person's degree of obesity.
 
ugh the arguing...

heres my simple test:

8-pack - you are pretty darn fit
6- pack - nice going
flat pouch - okay..fine..go to the gym and really see what you can do
2-3 month pregnant belly - stop eating so much candy and get to the gym
fat rolls - needs work
beer belly - stop the drinking and needs work.


there you go.
 
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