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superbovine said:
Well geez, since you had to ask politely...
It has nothing to do with quality of the monitors. I'm sure the Dells are nice. I just think Dell has poor business ethics and I'd rather give my money to someone who puts their money into creative endeavors like Apple.
For the same reason I prefer to shop at local small businesses. Sure, the cost is a little more but I feel better about supporting the underdogs and not the fat corporations like Walmart. I know shoppers are trying to save a buck and I'm all for that, but there is also some pleasure in buying from the creative underdogs. Dell is one of those companies that views the world with one hand on the copy machine. I just can't support that kind of business.
This is just my opinion. You guys buy all the Dells you want. I'm going to buy Apple gear.
Peace.
dejo said:And a Sharpie to cover up the Dell logo while you're at it...
why do people care about the dell logo haha, i don't care about it i dont look at the logo when im doing stuff i look at the display.
Also it comes with a three year warranty as well.
Couple things on this.
#1, its not a "little more" cost, its almost double the cost. thats a huge difference for just "supporting the underdog" Especially for something that is not really better, just different.
#2 last time i checked mac and most other large companies are on pretty equal footing when it comes to being ethical. Big buisness (especially publicly traded) are in it for the money, and nothing else. they have too many people that demand it to not have that at the forefront. The one thing apple does better than dell (other than not sell windoze puters) IS MANAGE THEIR PUBLIC IMAGE BETTER. its not like macntosh is out there saving children and puppies at a not for profit status. They are big business as well.
#1, its not a "little more" cost, its almost double the cost. thats a huge difference for just "supporting the underdog" Especially for something that is not really better, just different.
#2 last time i checked mac and most other large companies are on pretty equal footing when it comes to being ethical. Big buisness (especially publicly traded) are in it for the money, and nothing else. they have too many people that demand it to not have that at the forefront. The one thing apple does better than dell (other than not sell windoze puters) IS MANAGE THEIR PUBLIC IMAGE BETTER. its not like macntosh is out there saving children and puppies at a not for profit status. They are big business as well.
mcarnes said:Well geez, since you had to ask politely...
It has nothing to do with quality of the monitors. I'm sure the Dells are nice. I just think Dell has poor business ethics and I'd rather give my money to someone who puts their money into creative endeavors like Apple.
For the same reason I prefer to shop at local small businesses. Sure, the cost is a little more but I feel better about supporting the underdogs and not the fat corporations like Walmart. I know shoppers are trying to save a buck and I'm all for that, but there is also some pleasure in buying from the creative underdogs. Dell is one of those companies that views the world with one hand on the copy machine. I just can't support that kind of business.
This is just my opinion. You guys buy all the Dells you want. I'm going to buy Apple gear.
Peace.
Well sure, both the Dell and Apple displays may use the exact same LCD panels, but I'll go ahead and pay extra for Apple's display. If Dell's displays didn't have that trashy black and silver look and actually looked decent I'd change my mind. To me how my hardware looks makes a big difference and is one of the reasons I'm a Mac user.
i have a big problem with hardware like that. take my laptop for example. £999, 15" TFT (1400x1050), Pentium 4 powerhouse, DVD±RW etc, 4 in 1 card reader, a bunch of USB/mini firewire ports... but its crappy low build quality. it works, but works bad.
ive never used a Dell monitor so i cant really judge but id take fantastic build quality anyday. if Apple stopped their beautiful build quality and replaced it for cheap beige and other nastiness then id swop companies.
regardless of what extras they stick in there, it has to be of extreme quality to part me from my money.
ive never used a Dell monitor so i cant really judge but id take fantastic build quality anyday. if Apple stopped their beautiful build quality and replaced it for cheap beige and other nastiness then id swop companies.
regardless of what extras they stick in there, it has to be of extreme quality to part me from my money.
iindigo said:
I would agree, to a point (and that's why I bought the Dell display instead of the Apple).
You're currently paying twice as much for the Apple display's good looks. Would you pay three times as much? Four? At some point, it's just not sensible anymore to pay solely for looks. I would have been willing to pay a 10%, maybe 20% premium. But not twice the price.
also the dell monitors are not cheaply made well thats what i read on the net and other people who talk about lcd makings and reviews. but i hear they do make ****** computers i have no idea since my old pc was made in 99.
just cause its not made by apple doesnt mean its bad, i love apple now but i wont be blind to other companies products just to stay loyal to apple except for the OS they make.
just cause its not made by apple doesnt mean its bad, i love apple now but i wont be blind to other companies products just to stay loyal to apple except for the OS they make.
I hate to bash, and no one take this personally. But a lot of you are really shallow. So the whole reason you use Macs is because of the way the case looks? That seems to be the #1 argument against Dell in this thread. "I buy Macs because of the way they look." or "If Apple started using beige or black I'd switch companies." Wow. That's not only amazing, but that's a little hard to believe.
I personally use Macs because of the security, stability, beauty, power, and ease of use of the operating system. I didn't spend 2 grand on my Powermac G5 because the case was pretty. If all I was interested in was the case, I'd have spent a quarter as much on PC components and bought a custom aluminium or titanium case for it.
I've actually personally seen several large Dell screens including the 2001fp and 2405fp. I've also personally seen both revisions of the Apple flat displays. I actually think the Dell screens edge out the Apple screens in picture quality. People who say there's a "huge difference" and that the Apple display is far superior was probably comparing it to a Dell display that wasn't being run at it's native resolution, had an incorrect Display profile, or was simply the victim of psychology ("I want the Apple display to be better, so therefore it will be better").
Now I'm neither an Apple nor a Dell hardliner. What it comes down to for me is that if ANY company makes a better product, I'm there. While I have a Powermac G5, I am typing this post on a Dell Inspiron 600m. Buying the 600m over, say, a Powerbook, was easy. It may not look as refined as the Powerbook, but this thing's 1.8GHz Pentium M absolutely blasts my girlfriend's Powerbook G4 1GHz in terms of speed. She spent over $2000 on her Powerbook. The 600m was $730 after coupon codes, and came with 1 gig of RAM, 2 batteries, etc etc. The price difference, to me, is worth the hassle of using XP. (And it's always a bonus to be able to run Windows software I occasionally need for my classes natively). I went for the G5 for my desktop because its speed actually rivals the top desktop PCs, and I use it for every day computing tasks. (If I had to use XP every day, I'd go crazy.) The laptop is for occasional/mobile use only.
So, let me reiterate. Even though I've been using Macs since the LCII, I'm not a diehard Mac loyalist. Neither am I a Dell loyalist. As soon as any company creates an OS that's better than OS X, I'm there. As soon as Apple drops the price of their LCDs so that they're actually reasonable, I'll get one. I don't foresee either of those events happening in the near future.
If you still think a silver bezel justifies spending nearly twice as much money, then you're welcome to. Although I have a better idea: buy the 2405 and send the difference to me. I'm a brokeass college student and I can use that money
Again, let me say that I hope no one takes this rant personally. The only reason I've unloaded on this thread is because of thread after thread for the past few months on "Apple vs Dell monitor" debates being settled by "I'll go ahead and spend the extra $500 on the nice bezel". I know I've picked on a couple of people in this thread, but really this has been building up in me over the past few months. Yes, I'm crazy, I'll go make an appointment with my psychologist now.
I personally use Macs because of the security, stability, beauty, power, and ease of use of the operating system. I didn't spend 2 grand on my Powermac G5 because the case was pretty. If all I was interested in was the case, I'd have spent a quarter as much on PC components and bought a custom aluminium or titanium case for it.
I've actually personally seen several large Dell screens including the 2001fp and 2405fp. I've also personally seen both revisions of the Apple flat displays. I actually think the Dell screens edge out the Apple screens in picture quality. People who say there's a "huge difference" and that the Apple display is far superior was probably comparing it to a Dell display that wasn't being run at it's native resolution, had an incorrect Display profile, or was simply the victim of psychology ("I want the Apple display to be better, so therefore it will be better").
Now I'm neither an Apple nor a Dell hardliner. What it comes down to for me is that if ANY company makes a better product, I'm there. While I have a Powermac G5, I am typing this post on a Dell Inspiron 600m. Buying the 600m over, say, a Powerbook, was easy. It may not look as refined as the Powerbook, but this thing's 1.8GHz Pentium M absolutely blasts my girlfriend's Powerbook G4 1GHz in terms of speed. She spent over $2000 on her Powerbook. The 600m was $730 after coupon codes, and came with 1 gig of RAM, 2 batteries, etc etc. The price difference, to me, is worth the hassle of using XP. (And it's always a bonus to be able to run Windows software I occasionally need for my classes natively). I went for the G5 for my desktop because its speed actually rivals the top desktop PCs, and I use it for every day computing tasks. (If I had to use XP every day, I'd go crazy.) The laptop is for occasional/mobile use only.
So, let me reiterate. Even though I've been using Macs since the LCII, I'm not a diehard Mac loyalist. Neither am I a Dell loyalist. As soon as any company creates an OS that's better than OS X, I'm there. As soon as Apple drops the price of their LCDs so that they're actually reasonable, I'll get one. I don't foresee either of those events happening in the near future.
If you still think a silver bezel justifies spending nearly twice as much money, then you're welcome to. Although I have a better idea: buy the 2405 and send the difference to me. I'm a brokeass college student and I can use that money
Again, let me say that I hope no one takes this rant personally. The only reason I've unloaded on this thread is because of thread after thread for the past few months on "Apple vs Dell monitor" debates being settled by "I'll go ahead and spend the extra $500 on the nice bezel". I know I've picked on a couple of people in this thread, but really this has been building up in me over the past few months. Yes, I'm crazy, I'll go make an appointment with my psychologist now.
I would not get a Dell monitor, just couldn't do it. Its like Cars, there are some cars I would not have just on principle, but then this is what brand loyalty is all about.
I recently got a 23" and took some time deciding over the 20 or 23, Im very glad I got the 23" the size is just right for my needs.
I recently got a 23" and took some time deciding over the 20 or 23, Im very glad I got the 23" the size is just right for my needs.
mcarnes said:Well geez, since you had to ask politely...
It has nothing to do with quality of the monitors. I'm sure the Dells are nice. I just think Dell has poor business ethics and I'd rather give my money to someone who puts their money into creative endeavors like Apple.
For the same reason I prefer to shop at local small businesses. Sure, the cost is a little more but I feel better about supporting the underdogs and not the fat corporations like Walmart. I know shoppers are trying to save a buck and I'm all for that, but there is also some pleasure in buying from the creative underdogs. Dell is one of those companies that views the world with one hand on the copy machine. I just can't support that kind of business.
This is just my opinion. You guys buy all the Dells you want. I'm going to buy Apple gear.
Peace.
Last year Dell was ranked 31 on the fortune 500 list with $41.4 billion and Apple was rank 301 with $6.2 billion. Well if your opinion to call a $6.2 billion dollar company an underdog. However, I would question you calling Apple Ethical. Apple uses subcontractors while Dell assemblies their computers in Texas. I am not saying Dell doesn't use their share of subcontractors as well. However, Apple uses Asian subcontractors like many other eletronic manfactorers to get their stuff built in asia. Why because it cheaper because of labor and enviromental practices. For example, do you think Asus (subcontractor for apple) adheres to the same ethical standards that Apple adheres to while they stamp the Apple logo on it? What about enviromental standards? Asia in general has laxer pollution laws. what about the powerbooks they make in china? Do you believe they treat their workers to an American standard of ethical work practices? I am not trying to tell you what to believe, but you shouldn't buy apple's marketing images at face value, until you look at how the eletronic industry works.
wheezy said:
That was answered on the first page. Apple doesn't call teh 20" an HD because that'd mislead customers (that's why I think they're doing it).
And hopefully I'll be able to afford the 2405fpw come dec. mmm, 23" ACD size @ 20" ACD price...
7on said:
So...if it was answered, why is this still going on
? Oh yeah, pointless arguing. Yay!I am about to read over the warranties for the dell and apple displays, but I will ask here incase anyone knows off-hand.
-I will be going to college in the UK starting in September and I currently live in the US-
I've read that apple's laptops have worldwide support (repairs) but I don't know about either companies policy on displays..
Update: Only portable Apple products and Mac Mini's are covered outside the US.
-I will be going to college in the UK starting in September and I currently live in the US-
I've read that apple's laptops have worldwide support (repairs) but I don't know about either companies policy on displays..
Update: Only portable Apple products and Mac Mini's are covered outside the US.
wheezy said:So...if it was answered, why is this still going on
you just argued that arguing was pointless...
Choose excellence over mediocrity
Any car will get you from place to place, yet I will choose to drive a Mercedes rather than a Chrysler every time. Mostly because Mercedes looks and feels better.
The fact that cars are made from the same elemental parts does not matter to me. I don't care that the same parts are inside. The result the manufacturer obtains with those parts is what is important. I want the best experience I can have in life, and that is often and usually more expensive, that is the way life is. I don't live cheap or second best. Cars are made from the same parts, yet the more expensive Mercedes is an infinitely more pleasurable experience to drive.
So all of you that choose to buy & drive cheaper cars and buy & use cheaper computer systems, well good for you and more power to you, but please refrain from pushing and beating your low standard beliefs on others in nearly every thread about Apple displays. I'd love to participate in a thread about Apple displays without someone pointlessly bringing up Dell inappropriately off-topic.
I realize anubis was simply offering an alternative, yet the OP did not ask for an alternative and the "condescending judgmental attitude" that followed was uncalled for. Only the 20" displays are the same component, not the 23." The OP was asking about the differences between the 20" and 23" Apple displays. The OP did not ask about Dell displays.
So anyway, I feel bad for the OP, since nearly every post in this whole thread is about Dell vs. Apple (as so many other threads already are), instead of addressing the OP's original question...
Any car will get you from place to place, yet I will choose to drive a Mercedes rather than a Chrysler every time. Mostly because Mercedes looks and feels better.
The fact that cars are made from the same elemental parts does not matter to me. I don't care that the same parts are inside. The result the manufacturer obtains with those parts is what is important. I want the best experience I can have in life, and that is often and usually more expensive, that is the way life is. I don't live cheap or second best. Cars are made from the same parts, yet the more expensive Mercedes is an infinitely more pleasurable experience to drive.
So all of you that choose to buy & drive cheaper cars and buy & use cheaper computer systems, well good for you and more power to you, but please refrain from pushing and beating your low standard beliefs on others in nearly every thread about Apple displays. I'd love to participate in a thread about Apple displays without someone pointlessly bringing up Dell inappropriately off-topic.
I realize anubis was simply offering an alternative, yet the OP did not ask for an alternative and the "condescending judgmental attitude" that followed was uncalled for. Only the 20" displays are the same component, not the 23." The OP was asking about the differences between the 20" and 23" Apple displays. The OP did not ask about Dell displays.
So anyway, I feel bad for the OP, since nearly every post in this whole thread is about Dell vs. Apple (as so many other threads already are), instead of addressing the OP's original question...
rasjunk said:
wheezy said:So...if it was answered, why is this still going on
Yep, the inherent flaw in all online forums. The question of the OP is answered nearly immediately, then pages and pages of endless rambling go on and on and on and on.....
Perhaps there should be a "close thread" option that a responsible OP would click after their question was answered to cut down on pointless arguing and point-proving.
Oh well, get the Dell for all the reasons listed above, or get the Apple for all the counter-reasons listed above, either way they are roughly the same product (for 20") and no matter what size, the Apple WILL look better but WILL cost more, fin.
Normally i am the one arguign this point. but there is a large flaw in this logic. In a mercades vs chrysler comparison, there is an obvious performance increase and "driveability" increase with the merc. The chrysler will not handle/perform/look/drive as well as it. That along with longevity is where the increased price comes from (not including name brand adjustments and import taxes etc etc)
with these two monitors you are paying more solely for a flashy case and a name brand. You are not gettign the performance increase you do with a daily driver sedan vs a performance car. In many cases the dell is supposed to be the superior of the two. THe only lesser component that isnt a preference is the plastic casing vs the aluminum, which adds nothign to the overall performance of the monitor. So the dell gets clearly beaten in one aspect (case quality) and again the looks for it are more of a preference thing (i personally like its looks more than the dell as well), if we were to go back to your car argument, would you pay 2x as much for a car that was smaller, didnt perform as well, and had less features, and a lesser warrenty in a lot of places, purely for a small increase in its looks. Thats not the way car buffs buy cars, at least not the ones i play with.. Thats the way an average joe that does little to no research buys a car.
Sorry to come off so hard on this issue, but its silly slippery slope arguments like these (including mine in retrospect) that do nothing to add to discussions. if you own the dell monitor - you got a deal, if you own the apple - hey you got a very nice looking monitor as well.
with these two monitors you are paying more solely for a flashy case and a name brand. You are not gettign the performance increase you do with a daily driver sedan vs a performance car. In many cases the dell is supposed to be the superior of the two. THe only lesser component that isnt a preference is the plastic casing vs the aluminum, which adds nothign to the overall performance of the monitor. So the dell gets clearly beaten in one aspect (case quality) and again the looks for it are more of a preference thing (i personally like its looks more than the dell as well), if we were to go back to your car argument, would you pay 2x as much for a car that was smaller, didnt perform as well, and had less features, and a lesser warrenty in a lot of places, purely for a small increase in its looks. Thats not the way car buffs buy cars, at least not the ones i play with.. Thats the way an average joe that does little to no research buys a car.
Sorry to come off so hard on this issue, but its silly slippery slope arguments like these (including mine in retrospect) that do nothing to add to discussions. if you own the dell monitor - you got a deal, if you own the apple - hey you got a very nice looking monitor as well.
sacear said:
Will the 1.67ghz 15" PB with the 128mb vram dual card support two 2001FP 20" monitors?
And if so, could the Powerbook handle it - would there be any lag or anything?
I don't see why they wouldn't but I want to ask before I buy them.
Thanks
And if so, could the Powerbook handle it - would there be any lag or anything?
I don't see why they wouldn't but I want to ask before I buy them.
Thanks
rasjunk said:
There is only one DVI port, its just called Dual-Link DVI, but it looks like a normal DVI port.