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Another uneducated answer. The computer as a system has much better heat management than a PC. The reason he has problems is because Windows can't manage the temps as well as OS X, because there were designed around each other.

Also PC's aren't engineered worth a damn. They are just huge heatsinks with a computer somehwere in there. Form over function? Try one of those flower-shaped hot-pink anodized heat sinks and see how well that really cools. Don't forget the neon and LED lights.


I have a mid2011 27" Imac. I've played games on it as well and the temps get pretty damn hot. But the aluminum body helps draw heat away from the components. With all that being said, The Imac can't run cooler than my custom built gaming pc. Sure windows sucks but the difference I see in the gaming aspect and imac will never be as good as a dedicated gaming pc. JMO


James
 
I have a mid2011 27" Imac. I've played games on it as well and the temps get pretty damn hot. But the aluminum body helps draw heat away from the components. With all that being said, The Imac can't run cooler than my custom built gaming pc. Sure windows sucks but the difference I see in the gaming aspect and imac will never be as good as a dedicated gaming pc. JMO


James

Sure a gaming rig will game better. But i think people here are getting bent out of shape on the "temperature". The iMac didn't shutdown or give problems otherwise, therefore it can handle the load. High temps alone don't indicate a problem, it could be 500F for all people really know about the properties of a CPU and the IC in general.

Just like people couldn't tell if 10 million degrees was too hot for the sun to operate, or 10,000 degrees.

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And this, folks, is what I call "the :apple: effect".

This, allied with marketing, takes out all the intelligence from your brain. Beware.

Ps.: I've marked the parts where you show how alienated you are.

Yet you haven't explained how this is "alienated". Engineering = alienation? Didn't know that.

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Do you really believe this ***** ?

It's not my belief, it's just obvious science. The average gaming PC cools with brute force, brute thermal mass. Anything can stay cool with a heatsink that is about 10x more massive than the heat source. That said, it does cool more.

But that's like saying a Lamborghini is a better car than a Tesla because it's faster....

The iMac is more efficient, it uses way less energy, and way less mass to achieve 77.4% of the gaming performance of a true GTX 680.

So if you don't believe it, that's your issue.

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Games make graphic cards hot. The new iMac design doesn't care.

As everyone knows, Apple hobbled the iMac by making it thinner.

Yes Icarus... those wings look very nice :rolleyes:

Mine plays Civ 5 perfectly fine on full detail. Not sure how hot it gets, doesn't matter because there's no problems. You consider 40% better energy efficiency "hobbled"?
 
Crank up the fans to 2000-2500rpm with Macs Fan Control, and use a quality closed headset when gaming. I use dt770 pro (85ohm) which sounds great, and has nearly 20dB sound protection. No problem.
 
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i dont get why people come on here complaining. its gonna get hot, your playing games on a machine with the minimum amount of airflow allowed to keep noise down and that suits apples design. You payed probably $2000+ for that iMac, just so you could install windows on it and game? why not just buy a gaming pc for half that that will be better set up for that, it makes no sense...........

Maybe, he bought it for another purpose and games when he's free.
 
Sure a gaming rig will game better. But i think people here are getting bent out of shape on the "temperature". The iMac didn't shutdown or give problems otherwise, therefore it can handle the load. High temps alone don't indicate a problem...

High temperatures lead to higher wear-out of any chip. CPU temperatures of 100°C - while still not critical - will run the CPU dead in a much shorter time than at - let's say 80°C. There's nothing that Apple can do about these limitations except provide better cooling, which is not possible given their thinness-fetish.

The iMac is not a power-horse engineered for permanent high-performance. That's what the MacPro is designed for.

Like the Mini and the notebooks these machines get hot under load. While not reaching critical due to clever and efficient cooling they will get damage after a while. In other words: don't expect your iMac to get very old if you rip videos and play games 24x7 (which I doubt most iMac users will want to do anyway).
 
it's not exactly to the thread but,

i use (in hotter times/summer) on every mac smcfancontrol with 2-300rpm higher settings (groundspeed) and never get in "dangerous" temp. regions ..
 
And this, folks, is what I call "the :apple: effect".

This, allied with marketing, takes out all the intelligence from your brain. Beware.

Ps.: I've marked the parts where you show how alienated you are.

i thought that was just an answer to a person without eyes
 
I m planning to play games on windows via boot camp on my late 2012 27" iMac, so i should get a fan control software & tun up the rpm when gaming on windows? anyone else having issues with fan management under windows 8.1 64bit?

Thanks..
 
You didn't expect it to keep the CPU cool with that chassis thickness, did you?

Macs (except Mac Pro) aren't machines for graphic-intensive gaming.
The 680MX will run it with good FPS, but the machine WILL get extremely hot, no matter what you do.

It's a choice made by Apple. Form over technical performance (which involves temperatures and speed, too).

If you want a machine to game without worrying about temperatures, you need to build your own computer (or just pay for overpriced Alienware things).

As for your current issue, it maybe some Windows driver not correctly installed (I highly doubt on that, since the cooler was working fine before, as you said).
It might simply be a problem with the cooler or the Windows installation itself.

Reinstall drivers. If the problem persists, format and install Windows again.
If the problem is still there, you have your answer.


I see you've never actually used one.

The case is thinner than the previous generation iMac, yet the temperatures went down due to a combination of better thermal design and more efficient CPU+GPU combo.

With the fan running properly both the CPU and GPU run well inside the thermal envelope they were designed for (i.e., a good margin under tjunction). Just because the case is thin doesn't mean this is not possible.

I can work the 680MX hard (skyrim, bioshock infinite, metro etc etc all on ultra settings) for hours without the temperatures getting close to that, but the fan needs to ramp up.

I have never had a situation where it didn't do this, but it seems like some people do for some reason (didn't install the bootcamp drivers? problems with install? no idea).

The idea that the machine runs hot just because it is thin, or that the performance is compromised because it is thin is just totally unsubstantiated nonsense that is not backed up by the reality.

A PC with a poorly-operating cooling fan will behave in exactly the same way, even with a giant "airy" case because they're fundamentally operating with the same engineering challenge - the area that generates the heat is a small square the size of a postage stamp. The relative sizes of the physical case that these tiny squares sit inside don't matter so much *as long as the ability of the cooling system is adequate*. The one designed and fitted to the iMac is more than capable of handling both the CPU and GPU under maximum load for hours without any danger of overheating.

If your CPU or GPU is getting close to thermal shutdown then the fan has not been increased properly. This is not a flaw in the design, it is a failure of the software to respond to the demand (also the hardware will cut in with protection measures before the thermal shutdown will - the SMC can ramp the fan itself, and the CPU itself can throttle against the wishes of the OS).

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I m planning to play games on windows via boot camp on my late 2012 27" iMac, so i should get a fan control software & tun up the rpm when gaming on windows? anyone else having issues with fan management under windows 8.1 64bit?

Thanks..

I have never needed a specialised fan control app under Windows. I use the Late 2012 i5 iMac with the 680MX with Windows 7.

I have the bootcamp drivers for my system installed, and use GeForce Experience to keep the Nvidia driver up to date (the one included with bootcamp is from nvidia, but it's an older one).

I have never had temperature issues despite heavy gaming under windows. My advice would be to install Nvidia Inspector (or some other app that can monitor the temperatures) and have the monitor running while you tax the machine. If you find that you're getting close to the thermal limit of the GPU/CPU then you need to look at the fan control. Based on my experience, I have not needed to manually control it. I have owned this machine since December 2012 and it has been in heavy use since then without issue.
 
I have never needed a specialised fan control app under Windows. I use the Late 2012 i5 iMac with the 680MX with Windows 7.

I have the bootcamp drivers for my system installed, and use GeForce Experience to keep the Nvidia driver up to date (the one included with bootcamp is from nvidia, but it's an older one).

I have never had temperature issues despite heavy gaming under windows. My advice would be to install Nvidia Inspector (or some other app that can monitor the temperatures) and have the monitor running while you tax the machine. If you find that you're getting close to the thermal limit of the GPU/CPU then you need to look at the fan control. Based on my experience, I have not needed to manually control it. I have owned this machine since December 2012 and it has been in heavy use since then without issue.
Thanks for the info, any idea what temperatures your cpu/gpu reach under heavy load from gaming? also what are your ambient temperatures? was it easy installing windows 7 on your machine as our iMac lack superdrive.

Thanks..
 
My previous iMac (late 2012) was getting pretty hot during some gaming sessions and I started doing a bit of research. I came across the information that when the CPU's Turbo Boost kicks in there's quite a lot of extra heat generated. This is a a pretty general assumption but with a good CPU it's unlikely that the extra speed you get with Turbo Boost will affect the game so I went ahead and created a power settings profile which set the max CPU to 99% as opposed to 100%. From what I understand (by doing a little research online) this effectively disables the Turbo Boost. I did this and tested the performance of a few high-end games. My FPS didn't change at all but my temperatures dropped. In some cases by as much as 10°. Take this information with a pinch of salt but it's worth trying for yourself. I'm also sure I once read a thread on here where some other people were doing this but I'm struggling to find it. I still do this with my late 2013 iMac (spec below) and even during summer my CPU temperatures were maxing out in the mid-90s during some pretty intensive gaming sessions.
 
My previous iMac (late 2012) was getting pretty hot during some gaming sessions and I started doing a bit of research. I came across the information that when the CPU's Turbo Boost kicks in there's quite a lot of extra heat generated. This is a a pretty general assumption but with a good CPU it's unlikely that the extra speed you get with Turbo Boost will affect the game so I went ahead and created a power settings profile which set the max CPU to 99% as opposed to 100%. From what I understand (by doing a little research online) this effectively disables the Turbo Boost. I did this and tested the performance of a few high-end games. My FPS didn't change at all but my temperatures dropped. In some cases by as much as 10°. Take this information with a pinch of salt but it's worth trying for yourself. I'm also sure I once read a thread on here where some other people were doing this but I'm struggling to find it. I still do this with my late 2013 iMac (spec below) and even during summer my CPU temperatures were maxing out in the mid-90s during some pretty intensive gaming sessions.
you got the slim iMac or macbook? where can we adjust this setting for turbo boast in windows? also has anyone tried putting an external case fan front of the iMac intakes to see if it makes the machine cool better?

Thanks..
 
you got the slim iMac or macbook? where can we adjust this setting for turbo boast in windows? also has anyone tried putting an external case fan front of the iMac intakes to see if it makes the machine cool better?

Thanks..

I've posted this a dozens times already, but here goes...

To reduce GPU and CPU temps there are 2 simple things to do in BootCamp/Windows:
1: Disable turbo boost (Max CPU Performance to 99% in Performance Settings)
2: Use Macs Fan Control, and set the fan at a high static speed during gaming. (I use 2400-2500rpm in demanding games like Crysis 3, and 2200-2350rpm in slightly less demanding games). - Don't use Lubbo's Fan Control, it's not compatible with the iMac.

The GPU and CPU are rated for high temperatures, but with a compact AiO system you are heating up all the electronics - and doing long sessions with 100C+ regularly increases the risk of hardware failure in the future. With those tweaks mentioned above you can even overclock the GPU, and still keep the temperatures manageable.
 
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Hmm, wonder why they used a mobile GPU then? Better battery life?

Lower TDP, but that's not what the original commenter I was replying to meant - they were claiming that the heat is expected due to the design being thin (especially relative to the old design) and that was expected.

My point is that the selection of parts chosen is well within the cooling ability of the machine.

The CPU running at 100 C is not a function of the design of the iMac, it's indicative of a fault, because the system runs just fine under maximum load for extended periods.
 
I've posted this a dozens times already, but here goes...

To reduce GPU and CPU temps there are 2 simple things to do in BootCamp/Windows:
1: Disable turbo boost (Max CPU Performance to 99% in Performance Settings)
2: Use Macs Fan Control, and set the fan at a high static speed during gaming. (I use 2400-2500rpm in demanding games like Crysis 3, and 2200-2350rpm in slightly less demanding games). - Don't use Lubbo's Fan Control, it's not compatible with the iMac.

The GPU and CPU are rated for high temperatures, but with a compact AiO system you are heating up all the electronics - and doing long sessions with 100C+ regularly increases the risk of hardware failure in the future. With those tweaks mentioned above you can even overclock the GPU, and still keep the temperatures manageable.

Thanks for the info, Does the mac fan app have the option to adjust the min rpm for the idle speed for the fan? my late 2012 iMac's fan idles at 1200rpm & would be great to let the min idle be are 1400-1500rpm. Thats possible?

Thanks..
 
Thanks for the info, Does the mac fan app have the option to adjust the min rpm for the idle speed for the fan? my late 2012 iMac's fan idles at 1200rpm & would be great to let the min idle be are 1400-1500rpm. Thats possible?

Thanks..

Yes. AIn OSX you can also use smcFanControl for this function. Btw. it shouldn't be necessary to raise the minimum rpm speed IMO.
 
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