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Well technically 1440x1050 in a 4:3 configuration is the same pixel density as the regular resolution Macbook Pros (1440x900)

Has anyone seen the new high res 15'' screens firsthand? Any pictures? Impressions?

Do you think the 17'' high res (1920x1200) screens make things too small?

I had a R51 a couple years ago that sported the coveted QXGA display (S-IPS) in a 15" form; after than, everything else was too big in comparison. Now we can only wish they made computers with that resolution today.
 
The iPhone screen is 165 PPI, much higher resolution than any of the notebook screens Apple offers.
  • 13.3" 1280x800: 114 PPI
  • 15.4" 1440x900: 110 PPI
  • 15.4" 1680x1050: 129 PPI
  • 17" 1920x1200: 133 PPI
These are much less pixel-dense than the iPhone screen, and a lot less than 'PC' manufacturers offer:
  • Sony 13.1" 1600x900: 140 PPI
  • Sony 13.1" 1920x1080: 168 PPI
  • Various 15.4" 1920x1200: 147 PPI
For tasks like video/photo editing, you simply cannot have enough resolution. It both improves the sharpness of the image displayed on-screen (photos are typically printed at 300+ DPI for example) and gives you significantly more workspace.

As you can easily scale up web pages etc. in size if you find things too small, I would happily pay a premium for a 1920x1080 13" screen if it were an option. (note: Sony offers this screen upgrade for approximately half the cost of Apple's high resolution screen option on the 15")

That's great PPI information, Andrew! And I'm with you, give me more resolution, puhleeze! :p

In fact, I'm going to a 15-inch because Apple has finally given us the resolution we need. Sacrificing my little 13-inch Unibody MacBook's footprint is going to be very hard, but necessary in the name of progress. :D
 
My other turn off is that there is no way I can play a game, like the upcoming steam, at 1680x1050 with the GT 330m. It's an adequate card, but at those resolutions there is no way you'd be pushing beyond medium settings. Therefore, to get the desired IQ i would either need to lower the res a notch or set things down to medium. Games look crappy when you don't run at the native res of the monitor. Wouldn't you say that a more "gamer" oriented person would prefer the 1440?
 
And that's why they made a neat little anti-glare adhesive sheet for only $13.
That's not a proper solution, it's a poor man's solution. Great if you don't have any choice like with the MacBook, MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Pro or when you already have a glossy one. Those sheets are difficult to put on the screen (you need skill and lots of patience) and they don't take away the glare as the anti-glare screen option Apple has.

Seriously, on a plane, at the airport, in the park, on my porch with the jambox scaring away the white folk, my display never gives me problems. I guess people just prefer being able to easily gouge their delicate exposed LCD panel and like their colors to look bleached and need a tiny crevice in their bezel to store their business cards and finger nail clippings.
Neither do my glossy or matte screens because outside I can't read neither of them. The sun is simply too bright.

People choose matte screens for a good reason" it doesn't have any very noticeable glares which blocks your view and/or take away your focus. In reality those screens are easier on the eyes because your eyes don't focus as much as with the glossy screens (the glares will make your eyes focus constantly which is fatiguing). Colours are the same with the glossy panels because they use the same panels. In case of the glossy glass screens Apple uses it's the piece of glass and the coating on the panel itself that differs. Glossy creates the illusion that colours are great which they aren't because it still is the same crappy TN technology (one of the disadvantages of TN-panels: the colours are bad). In the end it's ergonomics vs colours that seem beautiful; it's about personal preference :)

The same thing goes for the hi-res screens. Hi-res on something like the iPhone is very different then on a notebook. On a small device like the iPhone you zoom a lot, if you want to view anything properly you'll have to zoom. Due to the zooming it doesn't really matter what resolution you're using. A higher resolution simply means more zooming (and yes, some people will find that to be annoying). This is not how you'd normally work on a computer (desktop/notebook). Zooming will kill the user experience quite effectively. Luckily you can choose between 1440x900 and 1680x1050 if you opt for glossy. If you opt for matte the story is different because that's only available with the 1680x1050 screen. I think that's a bad choice, it should also be an option for the 1440x900 screen so people actually have a choice. Wouldn't be that hard because Apple used to have that option with the previous generation. For some people it now becomes the choice between an unreadable screen due to the glossiness and an unreadable screen due to the small font sizes (yes you can crank up the fonts but this can potentially create other problems when you email something or print a document; I have seen people use font size 24 in their emails...).

One should really go check out the screens themselves and decide whether they like it or not. Some people want glossy, some want matte, some want 1680x1050 and some want 1440x900. Other people can't tell you what you should choose, they can only share their experiences.
 
You should be increasing the text/page size rather than lowering the screen resolution.

Gee think I didn't try that? The fact is you cannot universally increase the size of everything consistently. You can increase some parts but the menus etc stay tiny or there is some other "quirk". I even tried third party apps designed for this and they didn't work well.

Truthfully I don't need more resolution anyway. the last gen MBP turned down two notches was very sharp and looked great. I can't imagine what so many people are doing that the think that setting looks horrible. I hear comments like "fisher price resolution" for the old maximum and I just don't get it. I think in most cases it is people comparing numbers and not how it looks to them. Like 1080 and 720 TVs. I did a "blind taste test" with some family and they all picked a 720 model as the best because they went on how good it looked not specs and that particular TV did look great.
 
I've been searching but have yet to see any GPU benchmarks...anybody come across anything? I'm switching over to %100 Mac, but still want to do some gaming.
 
I've been searching but have yet to see any GPU benchmarks...anybody come across anything? I'm switching over to %100 Mac, but still want to do some gaming.

Same, I want to know if downsizing the resolution when playing game (if I take the High res screen) will make the picture appear blurry. I don't intend to adjust the resolution to something else than native when using windowed apps/etc, but for fullscreen 3d (aka demanding) games, I want to get the best compromise between picture quality/fps.
 
Same, I want to know if downsizing the resolution when playing game (if I take the High res screen) will make the picture appear blurry. I don't intend to adjust the resolution to something else than native when using windowed apps/etc, but for fullscreen 3d (aka demanding) games, I want to get the best compromise between picture quality/fps.

Well, you definitely will see a worse picture when you do not run the monitor at its native resolution. The image tends to be blurrier/not as sharp when not in native. Games will have this same effect regardless of AA or AF
 
Well, you definitely will see a worse picture when you do not run the monitor at its native resolution. The image tends to be blurrier/not as sharp when not in native. Games will have this same effect regardless of AA or AF

humm...so am I better keeping 1400x900 (it's plenty enough for me on my current mbp) and use the money I save to buy a better quality SSD than buying the one apple provides as BTO?

or would I still benefit more from taking the high res screen + apple ssd instead.... choices...choices...
 
Well, you definitely will see a worse picture when you do not run the monitor at its native resolution. The image tends to be blurrier/not as sharp when not in native. Games will have this same effect regardless of AA or AF

Maybe it is all in my head (probably is :p) - but I feel like PC's do a better job at displaying other resolutions besides the native resolution. In my experience, when you select a lower resolution on MBP the image quality goes out the door.
 
Confused - please simplify!

Hi All,

I am so excited about the new MBP's and I am planning on ordering a 15 inch 2.66 I7 :)

The only thing I am confused about is up grading to the higher resolution....

I dont really understand what the difference is and if i should consider it - i want my purchaise to last for a few years and I want to be happy with it :)

So can i simply know what is the difference and why would i need it?

I really am going to be using my MBP for general stuff and PHOTO's! :eek:

Thanks in advance:)
 
Higher resolution means the screen has more pixels with which to display an image. Imagine, for instance, the difference between Atari 2600 games and Super Nintendo games, you clearly have smaller dots and more of them with the Super Nintendo and thus a better image with more detail.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if you display an image that is a certain size on two monitors, the image will appear SMALLER on the one with GREATER resolution if they are displayed in "actual size".

The only reason you would need it is if you're trying to fit more windows on a screen or if you're doing very detailed graphics/video work and need all the fine details.

So many people are robbed every day because they believe a bigger screen=more room, when in fact they're often buying a 15" notebook that has the same resolution as a 13". They're paying for all that space, yet all they got was a stretched screen.

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humm...so am I better keeping 1400x900 (it's plenty enough for me on my current mbp) and use the money I save to buy a better quality SSD than buying the one apple provides as BTO?

or would I still benefit more from taking the high res screen + apple ssd instead.... choices...choices...

Keep 1400x900 and spend the money on intel x25-m g2
 
Higher resolution means the screen has more pixels with which to display an image. Imagine, for instance, the difference between Atari 2600 games and Super Nintendo games, you clearly have smaller dots and more of them with the Super Nintendo and thus a better image with more detail.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if you display an image that is a certain size on two monitors, the image will appear SMALLER on the one with GREATER resolution if they are displayed in "actual size".

The only reason you would need it is if you're trying to fit more windows on a screen or if you're doing very detailed graphics/video work and need all the fine details.

So many people are robbed every day because they believe a bigger screen=more room, when in fact they're often buying a 15" notebook that has the same resolution as a 13". They're paying for all that space, yet all they got was a stretched screen.

So basically - unless I am doing detailed work - it is not worth it for daily general use?

If so, thanks you have saved me some $$ :)
Cheers :)
 
So basically - unless I am doing detailed work - it is not worth it for daily general use?

If so, thanks you have saved me some $$ :)
Cheers :)

Even for detailed work the last gen is fine...there aren't hardly any places where most people would need or notice the difference. The people acting like it is a etch-a-sketch are just looking at numbers and I would bet money they couldn't tell the difference in a double blind test where fonts and sizing were equal.
 
Sure, I personally wouldn't upgrade either because all of the text and such would be smaller and I would always run it at a lower resolution for comfort's sake.
 
Can anyone upload a picture from the new Macbook Pro with Hi-Res Glossy or Hi-Res Antiglare? Or does somebody know a website where I can find pictures?

I debating with myself about ordering a Hi-Res version online or pick-up the standard Version at an Apple Store. So the picts would help me to get an idea.

...the Apple Store Somerset (Troy, MI) doesn't have Hi-Res in their showroom.
 
Even for detailed work the last gen is fine...there aren't hardly any places where most people would need or notice the difference. The people acting like it is a etch-a-sketch are just looking at numbers and I would bet money they couldn't tell the difference in a double blind test where fonts and sizing were equal.

Sure, I personally wouldn't upgrade either because all of the text and such would be smaller and I would always run it at a lower resolution for comfort's sake.

That is really helpfull - thanks :)

Now I can go and buy my new MBP straight off the shelf and enjoy it and be glad that I have waited soooooo long :)
Have a great day :)
Cheers :p
 
Can anyone upload a picture from the new Macbook Pro with Hi-Res Glossy or Hi-Res Antiglare? Or does somebody know a website where I can find pictures?

I debating with myself about ordering a Hi-Res version online or pick-up the standard Version at an Apple Store. So the picts would help me to get an idea.

...the Apple Store Somerset (Troy, MI) doesn't have Hi-Res in their showroom.

Agreed, not sure how much it will help as we view it on our old monitors, but it would be something. The Apple store near me didn't have any hi-res notebooks on display. Frustrating.
 
Yes, where? No stores have hi-res models from what I can tell and I was at a high-volume store. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE

Same here... I'm all but certain that, as I've been told, that is strictly a CTO option and not a model that will be available in stores :-( Have been hoping to find an Apple store that would at least have a demo model to look at ( and possibly talk the Mgr out of? <g>)
I had a 17" Hi Res and Loved it. Sold it and then got a 15" C2D. 17" HiRes was a HUGE productivity boost for me -- so now know i need to have the higher res, and would have gone for the 17" i7 without hesitation until Apple introduced the 15" H Res. But am hesitant to go for the 15" (for size) Hi Res sight unseen.

So this is a super valuable thread personally. Just wish someone who got one would comment vs 17 Hi REs from first hand experience, or had some screen shots or something
 
You should be increasing the text/page size rather than lowering the screen resolution.

Any modern web browser supports full page scaling (text, images, plugins etc.) to avoid changing the layout, but when you do this the text is rendered at a higher resolution and looks much sharper when it is the same physical size on a high resolution screen vs a lower resolution one.

I can't think of any application where you're working with text that won't let you scale things up.


The iPhone screen is 165 PPI, much higher resolution than any of the notebook screens Apple offers.
  • 13.3" 1280x800: 114 PPI
  • 15.4" 1440x900: 110 PPI
  • 15.4" 1680x1050: 129 PPI
  • 17" 1920x1200: 133 PPI
These are much less pixel-dense than the iPhone screen, and a lot less than 'PC' manufacturers offer:
  • Sony 13.1" 1600x900: 140 PPI
  • Sony 13.1" 1920x1080: 168 PPI
  • Various 15.4" 1920x1200: 147 PPI
For tasks like video/photo editing, you simply cannot have enough resolution. It both improves the sharpness of the image displayed on-screen (photos are typically printed at 300+ DPI for example) and gives you significantly more workspace.

As you can easily scale up web pages etc. in size if you find things too small, I would happily pay a premium for a 1920x1080 13" screen if it were an option. (note: Sony offers this screen upgrade for approximately half the cost of Apple's high resolution screen option on the 15")

you can't compare an iphone screen to a macbook pro. One is running osx and the other is running a custom os designed for that resolution on that screen.
 
My other turn off is that there is no way I can play a game, like the upcoming steam, at 1680x1050 with the GT 330m. It's an adequate card, but at those resolutions there is no way you'd be pushing beyond medium settings. Therefore, to get the desired IQ i would either need to lower the res a notch or set things down to medium. Games look crappy when you don't run at the native res of the monitor. Wouldn't you say that a more "gamer" oriented person would prefer the 1440?

yeah, you'll definitely get better FPS at 1440x900.
 
Keep 1400x900 and spend the money on intel x25-m g2

gaming won't go any faster on an ssd. Games cache everything they need to the ram during the load screens..so the ssd won't make FPS go up, just reduce load screen times a bit.
 
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