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Higher-End iMac's Ports Are All Thunderbolt 4

fwmireault said:
I've noticed at the end of the keynote, Ternus said: Join us tomorrow morning for another exciting announcement
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oh cool! hoping for the macbook announcement first, but i am keenly interested in both the mac mini and the mbp so either way is cool with me
 
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Now that I see that iMac picture, I SO want the screw/fastener we see behind the stand to be a camera!
Wouldn't that be cool 🤣
 
Feels like Thunderbolt has been a dud for consumers. The selection of actual Thunderbolt (as opposed to USB certified accessories "compatible" with Thunderbolt because they use USB-C) accessories are so limited
 
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Wake me up when we get Thunderbolt 5. That's pretty much the only thing that would tempt me to upgrade my M1 Ultra Mac Studio. That, or a BIG price cut on the Mac Pro.
 
adamw said:
Are all 4 Thunderbolt 4 Ports on the 10 Core M4 iMac model sharing any Thunderbolt channels, or do each of the Thunderbolt 4 ports have its own (non-shared, full speed) Thunderbolt 4 data channel for the full speed data transfer that Thunderbolt 4 allows (40 Gbps)?

Also when do you think we will see full speed (80 Gbps) Thunderbolt 5 port support on Mac models (M5, M6, or M7)?
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TB5 80Gbps will be next year I'd think with M5 chips; TB5 cables already exist (eg. OWC). I'd be surprised if the M4 Pro/Max MBP's have it now, as the vanilla M4 chips are TB4. I also think the M5 Max/Ultra (with TB5) will come late-2025 as the first of the M5-series chips in the Studio & Pro Macs.

But who knows for sure, at least we'll have a good guide after new M4 Pro & Max MBP's come on Wed, after the M4 nothing & Pro in the Mini on Tue.
 
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Return Zero said:
The base model feels like a nicer deal now that it has 16GB but the next model up also seems worth it, especially at the $150 price difference for edu... gig ethernet, +2 cpu cores, +2 gpu cores, +2 tb4 ports, +1 external display support, touchID, and maybe still an extra cooling fan, right?
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Wow, Apple is selling a machine with < 1Gbit ethernet in 2024? That's embarrassing!
I'm surprised they can even find a vendor to supply such an out of spec part. The G4, released almost 25 years ago, had gigabit ethernet. Are you sure about this???
 
platinumaqua said:
Feels like Thunderbolt has been a dud for consumers. The selection of actual Thunderbolt (as opposed to USB certified accessories "compatible" with Thunderbolt because they use USB-C) accessories are so limited
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The difference in USB-c and Thunderbolt is confusing to consumers and thunderbolt hasn't been adopted by the Windows community so it's seen pretty underwhelming adoption. Plus it's weird to me they recycled the term from their old firewire devices (didn't they also call those thunderbolt? Or was that lightning? I had a bolt symbol on my 2012 macbook ports for some IEEE port I never used)
 
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Good that all the ports are now Thunderbolt 4!! Very good improvement compared to previous generation.
 
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spicynujac said:
The difference in USB-c and Thunderbolt is confusing to consumers and thunderbolt hasn't been adopted by the Windows community so it's seen pretty underwhelming adoption. Plus it's weird to me they recycled the term from their old firewire devices (didn't they also call those thunderbolt? Or was that lightning? I had a bolt symbol on my 2012 macbook ports for some IEEE port I never used)
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Thunderbolt 1 and 2 used the mini DisplayPort as its connector
 
spicynujac said:
Wow, Apple is selling a machine with < 1Gbit ethernet in 2024? That's embarrassing!
I'm surprised they can even find a vendor to supply such an out of spec part. The G4, released almost 25 years ago, had gigabit ethernet. Are you sure about this???
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No, the base model just doesn't have ethernet at all.
 
jimthing said:
TB5 80Gbps will be next year I'd think with M5 chips; TB5 cables already exist (eg. OWC). I'd be surprised if the M4 Pro/Max MBP's have it now, as the vanilla M4 chips are TB4. I also think the M5 Max/Ultra (with TB5) will come late-2025 as the first of the M5-series chips in the Studio & Pro Macs.

But who knows for sure, at least we'll have a good guide after new M4 Pro & Max MBP's come on Wed, after the M4 nothing & Pro in the Mini on Tue.
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Well I got that wrong didn't I!

Mini: M4 Pro = 3x TB5 vs. M4 nothing = 3x TB4.
MBP: M4 Pro & Max = 3x TB5 ports. (let's see tmrw!)

Wow, no hanging around with Apple for once; straight onto TB5 on the same series chip. :)
 
platinumaqua said:
Thunderbolt 1 and 2 used the mini DisplayPort as its connector
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wow I never even knew that was a video connector. Funny that Apple chose the most proprietary way to get video out, something that would ALWAYS require a dongle no matter what you were connecting to 🤣 (I've never seen a mini-Displayport device in my life!)

But at least it was cross compatible with EVERYTHING:
  • Thunderbolt digital video output
    • Native Mini DisplayPort output
    • DVI output using Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter (sold separately)
    • VGA output using Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter (sold separately)
    • Dual-link DVI output using Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter (sold separately)
    • HDMI audio and video output using third-party Mini DisplayPort to HDMI Adapter (sold separately)
 
I would like to know what the difference is between the "old" Thunderbolt/USB 4 ports and the new Thunderbolt 4 ports in M4 machines. Is there the same or better support for e.g. USB 3.1/3.2?
 
xyz01 said:
The magic mouse needs a complete redesign. A better port placement is just a minor part of that.
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I disagree. I think the design complaints are likely due to insufficient explanation from Apple that the Magic Mouse needs to be used/held in a slightly different way than other mice.
 
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