Historic songs on iTunes

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  1. lacek, Jan 1, 2015
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2015

    lacek macrumors member

    Oct 14, 2014
    I was amazed to find songs of totalitarian regimes on iTunes store.
    I have nothing against it as I think that studying history is the only solution for human kind not to repeat these mistakes again.

    Does anyone know why there are numerous stalinist songs (such may versions of anthem of Soviet Union in different languages) but there are no, even most basic songs of the Third Reich?

    EDIT: the point I was trying to make is: why is Stalin ok, while Hitler is not.
  2. 2010mini macrumors 68040

    Jun 19, 2013
    Because nobody wants to go near nazis
  3. lacek thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 14, 2014
    I do not believe that.
  4. 2010mini macrumors 68040

    Jun 19, 2013
    yeah..... let's see.... Nazis or Socialists.... which one has had more history of being denounced as being beyond evil in modern history?

    that would be the Nazis.

    try this: go out wearing a SS uniform and one from Stalins reign in the USSR. See which one gets you more negative attention. Or better yet flag the Nazi flag and the USSR flag from your home. See which one gets you more attention.
  5. lacek thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 14, 2014
    Ok, this I buy :) First gets you arrested, second not really.
    Still it is possible to buy Mein Kampf on Amazon. So there is a market for it. On the other hand "Mein Kampf" is a text of great historical singnificance, while Nazi songs are perhaps not that significant...

    I do not like it at all. Banning only Nazi song tells indirectly that stalinist regime is ok UNLIKE Nazi. This is absurd.
  6. 2010mini macrumors 68040

    Jun 19, 2013
    Not really.... It's just that what the Nazis represent was just so OVERTLY evil. More books, movies and plays have been written about that. It is seared into our collective conscience.
  7. lacek thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 14, 2014
    Yes, so did Soviets. They are ok for iTunes however.


    I am disappointed with Apple that they approve Soviet propaganda on iTunes. I understand "no totalitarian systems" policy on iTunes, but "no Nazi, while Soviets ok" is dangerous.
  8. mojolicious macrumors 68000


    Mar 18, 2014
    Sarf London
    Searching for 'Nazi' in the UK iTunes store I can find albums entitled 'SS Nazi Schutzstaffel', 'SS Nazi Schwerpunkt', 'Kriegsmarine Nazi Marches', 'Panzer Marches', 'Stormtrooper Marches' and many more. All the albums I've named are © Michael Kelly, and in each case the (awful) artwork has a 'Strictly for Educational Use' banner running across it. Are these not available in your country?

    The Horst-Wessel-Lied appears on several of the albums. There's this from Wikipedia...
    With the end of the Nazi regime in May 1945, the Horst-Wessel-Lied was banned, and the lyrics and tune are now illegal in Germany and Austria except for educational purposes. In early 2011, this resulted in a Lower Saxony State Police investigation of Amazon.com and Apple Inc. for offering the song for sale on their websites. Both Apple and Amazon complied with the government's request and deleted the song from their offerings.

    There are scales of okayness. Uncle Joe may not have been particularly avuncular, but he did what was necessary between 1941 and 1945.
  9. lacek thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 14, 2014
    Nope. That is exactly the song I checked. This is in fact the only Nazi song that i know and I checked only that song. I am more familiar with Soviet propaganda songs.

    I could argue, but this not the best place for even bigger historical OT.
  10. paulrbeers macrumors 68040

    Dec 17, 2009
    I'm not sure why this even matters, but to put this in historical context...

    Stalin's Great Purge is generally considered to be just shy of 700,000 people. However, there are estimates that it could have been as low as high 10,000's (but most seem to fall in the low 100,00's or 700,000's with a few that put it just north of 1 million).

    The Holocaust, if you only consider the deaths of the Jews is right at 6 Million. If you consider the deaths of any detained Prisoners of War, the number quickly rises to 11 Million and if you take the broadest definition which includes deaths of Soviet Civilians, the number rises to 17 Million....

    So yeah, I'd say if there was justification for removing of Nazi songs, I'd say those numbers are quite staggering. Should songs about Stalin's regime be removed, maybe.
  11. lacek thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 14, 2014
    The Great purge is just a single episode of genocidal activity. There were more.

    I'd say you are completely wrong about numbers. For example Hlodomor victims in Ukraine in 1933 which number in 3-6 millions lives.
    What about GULAG? What about "White Sea–Baltic Canal" built by GULAG prisoners? What about executions of prisoners of war of foreign nations (not only germans)?

    Also Stalin's NKVD and Gestapo/SS had joined "education" conferences, Stalin provided Hitler with raw materials (for example oil), they BOTH divided Europe in Ribbentropp-Molotov Act in 1939, Stalin started war on sovereign nations (Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Finland).

    NKVD was also "better"(more evil) at torture than Gestapo (according to memoirs of people that had "opportunity" to be questioned both by Gestapo and NKVD).

    Sovets, as well as Nazis, were performing medical experiments on prisoners.
    Moreover, unlike Nazis (I think) they performed international assasinations of their political enemies (Trotsky in Mexico in 1940, Bandera in GDR in late 60's, and many more (this one I do not pity, but murder of a someone whose hands were bathed in blood is still a murder) ).
    There were also famous "Moscow (kangoro) trails"

    I'd say please do more careful research before you start to whitewash genocidal tyrrants such as Stalin.

    Also "number of deaths" is a poor measure of "okayness" especially if Hitler leads by perhaps 40% (not approx 1000% as you seem to suggest).
  12. phrehdd macrumors 68040


    Oct 25, 2008
    I tend to agree that the likes of Stalin represent the worst of mankind and Soviet/Russian history. Apple seems to do whatever it wants and this is no different. For me, I wouldn't want either and actually be offended to see them offered up but that's me.

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