that would be nice, but I do expect a special event for the true video ipod. so I hope before middle of November.
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'Home on iPod' Patent Surfaces
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I guess, not sure how they would pull that of.
Plus how would the ipod behave if you use it in this mode for a long period of time. Heat issue?
Plus how would the ipod behave if you use it in this mode for a long period of time. Heat issue?
crees! said:
Uhh... if your home folder is named, "Applications" then yes.
I don't know many people who install applications to a destination in their user directory... and even if they did, they probably wouldn't work, due to requiring some other external file or resource of some sort.
...Then again I installed iTunes on my flash drive so I could listen to web radio at work without technically installing anything on my computer. teehee.
-Clive
Folder Share
Has anyone tried Folder Share for mac? I have been using it on my pc and love it. It syncs folders you specify over the internet.
Http://www.foldershare.com
Has anyone tried Folder Share for mac? I have been using it on my pc and love it. It syncs folders you specify over the internet.
Http://www.foldershare.com
I think it would be more practical for iPhone to have this feature than an iPod.
People (at least me) do not carry their iPods everywhere, all the time. I do carry my cellphone with me everywhere, all the time. I think it would be more practical to have this feature in a cellhpone (not to say that it wouldn't be usable in an iPod or even usb flash drive).
To be honest, I actually have had this 'vision of the future' personally that involves just this: using your phone as the computer, with displays present everywhere along with keyboards and mice. You just keep your cellphone in your pocket while you use a screen and peripherals to connect to it in a less-portable way.
And this idea I had was without anyone's influence...it's just kinda cool that Apple had come up with a patent that essentially is the precursor to this. It's a feeling of gratification that this teenager kinda likes :-D.
Anyway, I think it'd be a great feature for Leopard and iPhone rather than the iPod because of portability and the fact that everyone carries a cellphone now a days everywhere.
-=|Mgkwho
People (at least me) do not carry their iPods everywhere, all the time. I do carry my cellphone with me everywhere, all the time. I think it would be more practical to have this feature in a cellhpone (not to say that it wouldn't be usable in an iPod or even usb flash drive).
To be honest, I actually have had this 'vision of the future' personally that involves just this: using your phone as the computer, with displays present everywhere along with keyboards and mice. You just keep your cellphone in your pocket while you use a screen and peripherals to connect to it in a less-portable way.
And this idea I had was without anyone's influence...it's just kinda cool that Apple had come up with a patent that essentially is the precursor to this. It's a feeling of gratification that this teenager kinda likes :-D.
Anyway, I think it'd be a great feature for Leopard and iPhone rather than the iPod because of portability and the fact that everyone carries a cellphone now a days everywhere.
-=|Mgkwho
I wonder if the original plans were canned because of the iPods leaving Firewire in the cold.. USB really isnt up to speed as FireWire 800 (Or 400 for that matter) is.
Unfortunately, I would'nt want to read/write so much on my iPods harddrive.. *Yikes* -But it could convince me to get a 500 Gb harddrive.. (If Copenhagen University had any Mac's that is... Sigh..)
Unfortunately, I would'nt want to read/write so much on my iPods harddrive.. *Yikes* -But it could convince me to get a 500 Gb harddrive.. (If Copenhagen University had any Mac's that is... Sigh..)
SeaFox said:Cause ya know, you can't use USB to connect an external hard drive...
Speed, my friend. Speed is the issue.
It was acknowledged that USB 2.0 could be used... but at speeds only comparable to Firewire 400... which is too slow for user files in the gigabytes.
-Clive
MrCrowbar said:Actually this would be an alternative to syncing via .MAC
Apple earns money with .Mac, so it's not gonna happen.
Yeah but I'm never going to buy .mac, but I have got two Mac's it's such a bastard keeping them synced (this is after 2 day's of Macbook ownership) that I'm going to buy a new monitor and speakers for my Macbook and just use that, (which will cost £150 I'd rather not spend.) If I could keep the two Mac's synced I'd keep both, this also increases the possibility that I'd buy another desktop mac in the future (though in my case it's unlikely for a while as my iMac is only 1.5 years old.)
Apple makes a LOT more money from it's hardware than .Mac, (and if Leopard came with this it'd be reason enough to buy it on it's own even with no other features as that costs less than £150.)
You can currently sync for free via SSH/rsync, but SSH seems to be allergic to Page's files and it corrupts them removing all my LaTeX equations, so my Math's notes become *very* interesting
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amols said:
The feature will obviously require both machines be running 10.5, and I don't think 10.5 will include iTunes 6. Apple will just release updates for the ProApps that are required to run them under 10.5, this is how you gaurantee verision compatability.
I really hope the true video ipod has firewire (larger disks for higher res video, upsclable to a HD set too, . USB is ok, but doesn't cut it for a hard drive, and certainly not for real time editting of large files.
This idea is actually on my list of things to come in Leopard (before the OP, I mean), it's just plain useful to be able to bring your environnement with you. Just seemless intergration has kept people from doing themselves. Another implementaion for the user account setup that I'd like to see is a guest account with sessions. All guests would have limited acess to system files and a 'scratch space' when they go to log out, the system would promt th guest to record the worked on files and settings to a USB or FW drive, across a network, to .mac, or CD.
The system would then clean up, and rest setings as part of a logout hook, ready for the next guest. This would be useful for those who needed the computers resources (apps, hardware, database) , or didn't have a mac to do the portable home thing from.
Obviously any non-permanent user shouldn't dictate it's own user rights for that terminal... Instead, they would be free to work in their own space and read most files ('others' classification) from the disk. I don't think that entering another users credentials would be an option, ie for admin prcedures.
I think the timing would be right currently because of the availability of removable storage, even SD cards, and the OS that just does it all.. right apple? *wink*
. USB is ok, but doesn't cut it for a hard drive, and certainly not for real time editting of large files.This idea is actually on my list of things to come in Leopard (before the OP, I mean), it's just plain useful to be able to bring your environnement with you. Just seemless intergration has kept people from doing themselves. Another implementaion for the user account setup that I'd like to see is a guest account with sessions. All guests would have limited acess to system files and a 'scratch space' when they go to log out, the system would promt th guest to record the worked on files and settings to a USB or FW drive, across a network, to .mac, or CD.
The system would then clean up, and rest setings as part of a logout hook, ready for the next guest. This would be useful for those who needed the computers resources (apps, hardware, database) , or didn't have a mac to do the portable home thing from.
Obviously any non-permanent user shouldn't dictate it's own user rights for that terminal... Instead, they would be free to work in their own space and read most files ('others' classification) from the disk. I don't think that entering another users credentials would be an option, ie for admin prcedures.
I think the timing would be right currently because of the availability of removable storage, even SD cards, and the OS that just does it all.. right apple? *wink*
iChat in Leopard will also allow us to more easily access, use and share files.
Here is a quote from Apple's Leopard iChat page regarding this:
Assuming that easy access to share/find/travel with/use files is a focus of Apple's for Leopard we might just see a new Finder in addition to iPod Home Directories, Time Machine, iChat Remote Control File Sharing, Spotlight enhancements and more that is coming within the next few months.
I hope this is just a verification that Apple's promise of "Top Secret" features was a sign that Apple's labor team is dutifully and confidentially setting out to surprise and serve us with great new features in what will soon be a great new OS.
Here is a quote from Apple's Leopard iChat page regarding this:
Apple said:
Assuming that easy access to share/find/travel with/use files is a focus of Apple's for Leopard we might just see a new Finder in addition to iPod Home Directories, Time Machine, iChat Remote Control File Sharing, Spotlight enhancements and more that is coming within the next few months.
I hope this is just a verification that Apple's promise of "Top Secret" features was a sign that Apple's labor team is dutifully and confidentially setting out to surprise and serve us with great new features in what will soon be a great new OS.
iPod has moved in a direction toward greater external HD use, if anything. Intel Macs, most PowerPC Macs (with the exception of boot capability), and PCs all work with current iPods. Like it or not, Firewire is being repositioned in the computer market as a whole. This technology is one developed for OS X and of course would not work with any other OS. Whether or not it will require an iPod is unknown (but doubtful)--it just happens that lots of people have iPods, which make for convenient "satellites" for this system.Le Big Mac said:
Not necessarily. There's no reason to assume that you will be able to take your local machine privileges to every computer in the world. In fact, it's more than likely that you'd have only guest privileges on "unfamiliar" computers--you'd have to have an admin on the destination computer set up your account beforehand or manually grant you admin access. There's absolutely no way that administrator rights would be fully and automatically portable.zv470 said:
This is an issue that's already been dealt with long ago--your network logon can have different credentials based on what machine you're sitting at. You might be an admin on your computer and on the two in the production lab, for example, but you're not necessarily an admin on the computer in the office next to yours. Likewise, I'm sure it will be optional to support this feature at all--disabling "gypsy users" will certainly be possible.
Any dream of creating a sudoer account and plugging it into some random computer you've never logged onto before and having total access is purely something for the realm of movies.
If it's introduced as a feature of Leopard, then it will probably require Leopard. C'est la vie.2) wouldn't the othe Mac have to have 10.5 or whatever on it as well? (or is that the idea?
Not likely. If you install your application to your home folder, you only have access to your one copy, which is effectively moving with you from computer to computer. The only problem would be software titles that require activation, which wouldn't be candidates for portability.crees! said:
FW400 and USB 2.0 are both faster than current iPod hard drives can saturate, so the issue is irrelevant. It's also less than likely that anyone would be working on an iPod for major projects in the gigabytes--that's why we have *real* external hard drives.Clive At Five said:
I don't see why this patent should be granted. Apple's idea is no different in principle from a diskless workstation mounting a user's home directory from a remote server, which we were doing when I worked at Sun Microsystems in 1989. Most users got Sun 3/50 workstations with only enough disk to store a bootable operating system, your personal data was stored on a server and mounted locally via NFS. If you change the storage unit from a big server located in an air-conditioned room to a USB stick in your pocket, and the transport mechanism from NFS over TCP/IP to USB/Firewire, you have what Apple wants to patent. There is nothing new here.
The world of patents is strange. Sometimes changing "this to that" is the brilliant move that makes an idea patentable. In this case, however, I agree that having a portable storage device for a home directory doesn't sound very innovative.bigwig said: