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Exactly the opposite, I want Apple back in the innovation game, succeeding, exciting, not just making money hand over fist with old stuff.

Back in the day, i couldn't sleep the day before the Keynote.

They STILL have the best designed products (for the most part), but NOT the best technology anymore.

That was the magic of Apple (under Jobs) that they gave you both, the technology and the design. They where not just a fashion brand offering gold laptops.
The premium iPhone that is about to be released decimates every smartphone on the market technologically and aesthetically.

Wake up bud.
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MacPro 2013 unchanged to this day: Schiller told reporters that the Mac Pro’s thermal issues “restricted our ability to upgrade it” and that Apple is “sorry to disappoint customers who wanted that.”

Touch Bar: "But it seems rather gimmicky and not as well thought out as it could be."
Whoa nice quotes bro. Oh wait they mean nothing. The products were thought-through. The strategy on Pro-level computers was not.
 
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So you say everything Cook releases is vague? You mean like the iPad that's been highly successful with the recent launch back in June, the Apple Watch that's been highly successful, not to mention the best selling smart phone in the world with the iPhone, the AirPods that have been back ordered since last December and have had stellar reviews. Sounds like those vague products are doing very well to me.

Also, does that, shock you that Apple has not released their product first or others? It shouldn't. It Shouldn't be about being the first on the market, it should be about releasing the better product. They always are the last, but they always seem to put out the products that have more unique features. That's what makes Apple products stand out.

The HomePod may not be the first smart speaker/Bluetooth home audio system on the marker, but it certainly is going to bring quality sound and will sell out.

Apple Watch has not been very successful, very very very little revenue, they actually include it in their "other" or "misc" sales in their quarterly reports. It's bundled in with app store and others as an overall revenue stream. It's a niche product that they don't want to you is a niche product, because then you won't buy one.
 
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I would love one if Apple Music worked. Yeah the streaming works but if you have a large well maintained iTunes library, it obliterates it.

Total. Nightmare.

I'm on the Apple Music family share plan. My wife and I do enjoy being able to listen to most any song most any time, it has facilitated our new music discovery and [for the most part] plays nice in our Apple household.

That said... One of its main features/selling points - the ability to access my iTunes library - is a complete no go for us.

I have been building and currating my 1gb+ music library since ~2000. Amongst other bands, I have an extensive Phish collection. The vast majority of albums are live recordings either I personally recorded or that the band formally sold/released. When I synced my iTunes library, it took live versions of their songs and replaced them with studio versions - completely ruining the live recording. I forget when iTunes March rolled out, but I've been hosed since. While I do have a backup of all of that content, I've not even considered trying that fiasco again. And find it hard to believe they haven't addressed this yet. It's not like I'm the only user that has live recordings.

Fix that and Apple Music fits in my tool box quite nicely.
 
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Curious about how this compares to the user experience of echo, of which I have several throughout my home and in my office. I find Alexa useful, and the skills are for the most part fun and helpful. Adding Sirius XM as a skill on top of spotify was a killer feature. Being a lover of Apple, I am leaning towards getting one, but this, for me, needs to be more than just a great speaker. $350 for a great speaker that is limited to Apple Music just isn't worth the money, IMHO.
 
The premium iPhone that is about to be released decimates every smartphone on the market technologically and aesthetically.

Wake up bud.

Yeah "bud"... you mean the product that doesn't exist yet and that nobody has seen yet. Yeah that one really beats them all.

Also, I haven't even said anything about the iPhone im my posting, "bud".
 
I think they made a huge mistake locking the speaker down to Apple music and focus mainly on sound quality. Others (Amazon) have a huge advantage when it comes to AI functionality (Like alexa).

All amazon has to do is to create a better sounding Alexa and there is close to no justification for the homepod.

Yes, again the contest here seems to be what will it take for Apple to make Siri equal to or better than Alexa for these purposes vs. what will it take for Amazon to replace what has been implied* to be a lower quality speaker with a higher quality one?

For years and years Siri has been ridiculed even around here as inferior to the newcomers. Odds are high that you or I could swap out a lower quality speaker with a higher quality speaker in as little as a few minutes. Consider the Echo Dot + any quality speaker of your choosing vs. what appears to be the HomePod competition.

*Note our perception of the "better quality speaker" is pretty much entirely based on Apple marketing statements and what are almost certainly biased initial "reviews" of hand-picked Apple invitees to the big reveal event, listening in an Apple-controlled environment to Apple-selected audio. We still have not got to see a single objective review confirming the statement that this speaker is the best in this class of product. What if that's just marketing puffery? For example, my own iDevices aren't actually magical. Are yours?

Nevertheless & again, even if the speaker turns out to be objectively better quality, consider the fundamental contest offered above. What historically makes Apple offerings win is superior software (or the perception of superior software) available only on Apple-offered technology. That is fundamental to rationalizing paying up for the Apple version of something. In this case so far, Apple's main marketing thrust has been a simple hardware advantage- "better quality speaker"- which may or may not prove out. If it does prove out, the competition faces the challenge of rolling out a version of their product with a better speaker. How hard will it be for them to do that?

This is the very same issue with the long-rumored Apple Television. We all know that an Apple television would source the panel from Samsung or LG, etc. And ultimately the source would probably put the very same panel in their own-branded case. We could not successfully argue that the picture on Apple's television is far superior to the picture on Samsung's televisions if both are using the exact same hardware. So the rationale for paying up for the TV would have to be in the exclusive software. If that software was basically an :apple:TV built inside and there was still :apple:TVs as a standalone product too, one could pay up for the Apple television or buy the EXACT SAME hardware and a :apple:TV STB, save the bulk of the Apple margin and have the exact same experience.

I look at what we know of this speaker and I don't see how Apple "wins" this particular contest if it leans heavily on a hardware claim. It's much too easy for everyone else to match or exceed that hardware claim with a relatively simple change to their products (if necessary), probably still sell them for less than HomePod's price and offer what is probably the superior software running atop them. In my head today, it seems Siri is key here, meaning that Siri will need to take a massive leap forward such that it seems much more capable than Alexa and similar offerings. If Alexa, etc are still viewed as more capable in these kinds of functions, why do the non-fanatics opt to pay for 1 HomePod vs. 2 or 3 Echos... or even just 1 Echo and use the substantial savings towards other things?

IMO, this one is going to be a tough sale (beyond the fanatics) unless Apple is holding back some major software advantages to better justify the Apple premium. Amazon, etc appears to have plenty of room to roll out an Echo Pro with a superior speaker and probably still beat HomePod's price. Assuming so, the battle seems to become Siri vs. Alexa and similar.
 
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Yeah "bud"... you mean the product that doesn't exist yet and that nobody has seen yet. Yeah that one really beats them all.

Also, I haven't even said anything about the iPhone im my posting, "bud".
Lmao first you assert that the HomePod is meaningless worthless and no better than anything else available, and then you state that it's a product no one has seen yet or even exists?

Again with the priceless stuff.

My iPhone comment was completely relevant due to you stating that Apple was a company that was not leading anymore. Wait for that iPhone and see who is leading.
 
The HomePod is probably going to be like the AirPods it will sell out very fast and end up back ordered for a while. It doesn't matter if Apple are not the first to do a speaker, people keep saying that Apple are falling behind, that's simply not true, they take their time it doesn't need to be a race, I'd rather they take their time and be the best.

All the talk about Jobs as if he created everything let's not forget he didn't, yea he had ideas but he created Nothing himself, if it wasn't for Jony Ive the different coloured iMac wouldn't of existed.
Tim Cook isn't some new guy he has worked at Apple for a long time it was Steve Jobs who hand picked Cook for CEO with the words "never ask what I would do, but do what it right" as far as I can see Apple is as successful as it's ever been.

They still make great products and the customer experience is still the best. Have mistakes been made? Yes of course they have, but they were made while Jobs was at Apple. I think people have to realise that this isn't the exact same Apple from Steve Jobs era, it's moved forward and changed, you may not like that but things have to change otherwise they get left behind!
 
Lmao first you assert that the HomePod is meaningless worthless and no better than anything else available, and then you state that it's a product no one has seen yet or even exists?

HomePod was introduced and explained in detail at WWDC and they even put together demo rooms to listen to it and compare to Sonos.

The iPhone 8 doesn't exist.
 
It's Apple's answer to the Amazon Echo but with proper speakers. Also it's an accessory, not a full fledged device. I don't know why some people are complaining, it's not supposed to be the next hit product like the iPhone.

I can tell you why I'm disappointed -- I wouldn't categorize it as complaining.

Amazon Echo is a complete line from basic $50 mostly voice command point (the Dot) to full fledged speaker (Echo).
Amazon understands:

1) a full speaker isn't needed in every room in the house
2) isn't affordable for most to do so...yet
3) for true voice control smart home to work a mic/speaker needs to be in every room or, in more open floor plans, every X feet.

That is where the Dot comes in, a device that Apple is missing. As long as it's missing HomePod is useless unless you live in a studio apartment or you drop Benjamins easier than a German Shepard sheds hair.

And if it's not supposed to be a hit product then WTF is Apple making it for? The Echo IS a hit product and has made Amazon the leader in voice control. Doesn't Apple want to be the leader in that space? Isn't that why they developed HomeKit? HomeKit predates Alexa yet Amazon has smashed it while Apple drags its collective feet. Only just now is it starting to demo HomeKit devices in Apple Stores. All HomePod is at this point is a weak answer to Echo. HomePod might be a better speaker if you isolate it solely against the flagship Echo, but Echo and Alexa are a more complete system where the HomePod is just a one room one-off.

Apple's miss here is not making the Dot-like satellites in addition to the HomePod. That is where I'm disappointed. I would have bought a half dozen $79 Apple Dot-like pods. I'm not interested in HomePod at all. I have a multi-room house and already have a great sound system.
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The HomePod is probably going to be like the AirPods it will sell out very fast and end up back ordered for a while.

Errr... AirPods "sold out" because Apple clearly had production issues judging by the missed launch date and Apple publicly stating that inventory will be low when they do launch. They are still not readily available, 7 months later, and not because of demand, but production issues. Still. Early AirPods were fraught with battery and connection issues. (I just exchanged my early build charging case and left bud because of a connection and charging issue).

If HomePods suffer the same fate it will be a DOA product because AirPods are great and also not that expensive, and portable. OTOH the HomePod is quite spendy considering it only works in one room.
 
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HomePod was introduced and explained in detail at WWDC and they even put together demo rooms to listen to it and compare to Sonos.

The iPhone 8 doesn't exist.
Yes everything about HomePod was revealed in what Apple specifically called a 'Sneak Peak'.

Do you know what a 'Sneak Peak' is?

Yes, the iPhone 8 doesn't exist. Oh wait, they're being manufactured as we type these comments. We have a plethora of evidence that the iPhone 8 exists. You must think dinosaurs didn't exist as well, since you never actually saw one. Evidence is all that matters in reality.
 
The iPhone 8 doesn't exist.

But the HomePod doesn't exist yet either, and yet you had to say this about it:

HomePod is not a better speaker that other products, and not a btter home assistant thatn other products. It's not better at anything, not when it comes to technolgy

It's still appears you're making assertions as well.
 
Jony Ive designed for Apple since 1992. Black ugly boxes. That changed when Steve Jobs came back. How do explain that.



That's certainly true.

Because Steve Job's gave Jony Ive free reign over designing products, it was Jony Ive who created the iMac. Steve Job's didn't come up with every idea or every design, Steve Job's gets far to much credit for things. Not that he wasn't a talented guy who knew how to manage people but he wasn't a designer.
 
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Because Steve Job's gave Jony Ive free reign over designing products, it was Jony Ive who created the iMac. Steve Job's didn't come up with every idea or every design, Steve Job's gets far to much credit for things. Not that he wasn't a talented guy who knew how to manage people but he wasn't a designer.

Completely agree with everything you said. But the "how to manage" part is the most important thing.
To give talented people a clear goal of what you want to see in a product, results in a better product. And not just a mashup of every department doing what they think is right.
 
The iPhone was better than anything on the market, this is not.
When I saw the first presentation of the iPhone I almost got a heart attack I was so excited.

Sorry, the HomePod is not an iPhone or iPod in any way.

It revolutionizes nothing.

This is just me (late to the Kool aid party) but I never liked the iPhone. Lacked loads of smartphone features like copy and paste, MMS etc and mobile osx/ios seemed inferior to multitasking like OS at the time like WebOS or similar to Android but lacking customisation and nice notifications. In the end I got my first iPhone in 2016 after being exposed to iOS 9 on pad (which did have genuine new multi features). So for me its the other way round, sucked then and is good now?
 
Because Steve Job's gave Jony Ive free reign over designing products, it was Jony Ive who created the iMac. Steve Job's didn't come up with every idea or every design, Steve Job's gets far to much credit for things. Not that he wasn't a talented guy who knew how to manage people but he wasn't a designer.
Exactly right. I've always cringed at people stupid enough to believe that Steve did everything. He was great at putting the right values and goals into the company and he also had good taste for design and he was highly intelligent.
 
It's a Steve Jobs product which has seen almost no improvements in 10 years. the only difference in terms of software (which means actual use) in 10 years is now we have sort of a baby drag and drop. That's it.

And it is not "highly successful" either, sales have gone down for iPad every year. Because they didn't continue to innovate on it with Cook as CEO, as they should have.

That is understating the situation a bit. Within the tablet market segment Apple hardware is really outstanding and outstrips everything put out by Samsung and other tablet makers (The Surface is not a true tablet but a laptop squeezed into a tablet like form factor.). Now previously - the software was the limiting factor but iOS 11 is a significant improvement to the iPad as they developed a number of features specific to the iPad. The drag and drop is not baby it is very functional and works with in the form factor and mobile touch interface. The task bar, files, and improvements to the productivity apps makes it the best true tablet on the market. There has been significant investment and innovation here by Apple and the slide in tablet sales is more tied to the market segment than Apple as Apple is the best selling brand in that space.
 
That is understating the situation a bit. Within the tablet market segment Apple hardware is really outstanding and outstrips everything put out by Samsung and other tablet makers (The Surface is not a true tablet but a laptop squeezed into a tablet like form factor.). Now previously - the software was the limiting factor but iOS 11 is a significant improvement to the iPad as they developed a number of features specific to the iPad. The drag and drop is not baby it is very functional and works with in the form factor and mobile touch interface. The task bar, files, and improvements to the productivity apps makes it the best true tablet on the market. There has been significant investment and innovation here by Apple and the slide in tablet sales is more tied to the market segment than Apple as Apple is the best selling brand in that space.

I agree, software is what has made me enter the ecosystem.

Here is a good example:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9972/the-google-pixel-c-review/10

but Android simply doesn’t offer a compelling tablet experience in any regard

Android has improved a bit since then, and latest one has some new multi tablet stuff I think? But the apps probably still suck more.
 
iOS 11 is a significant improvement to the iPad as they developed a number of features specific to the iPad.

I agree, I guess my point is that those features should have been in the iPad years and years ago.

The drag and drop gesture that is praised right now was demonstrated by Phil Shiller in 2010 at the very first iPad Keynote, even with the little trick to select multiple items via multitouch and drag them together. It was all demonstrated within the Keynote App to move slides.

It took them 7 years to include that in other apps/ios?

That's my point. They're asleep at the wheel only focused on the cashcow iPhone.


Watch Phil at 59:30 (The year is 2010)

 
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I agree, I guess my point is that those features should have been in the iPad years and years ago.

The drag and drop gesture that is praised right now was demonstrated by Phil Shiller in 2011 at the very first iPad Keynote, even with the little trick to select multiple items via multitouch. It was demonstrated within the Keynote App to move slides and drag them.

It took them 6 years to include that in other apps?

That's my point. They're asleep at the wheel.

Compared to whom? Not the competition surely. Windows 10 actually lost tablet features over Windows 8, not that 8 was great to begin with for tablets.
 
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come on guys, this is Apple from the start...making the homePOD just for Apple Music is in Apples DNA...like imessages is only on apples ecosystem, and handoff and many others...wtf, you just now you realise how Apple ecosystem works?
You want Apple you go all in, and you have the best experience overall, if you dont want, then there are A LOT OF OTHER PRODUCTS....
 
I agree, I guess my point is that those features should have been in the iPad years and years ago.

The drag and drop gesture that is praised right now was demonstrated by Phil Shiller in 2011 at the very first iPad Keynote, even with the little trick to select multiple items via multitouch and drag them together. It was all demonstrated within the Keynote App to move slides.

It took them 6 years to include that in other apps/ios?

That's my point. They're asleep at the wheel only focused on the cashcow iPhone.
There are reasons for that which you're unaware. It's easy to see the ignorant, easy path to something. What's not easy is actually doing that thing, because doing that requires more. Like privacy and ease-of-use.
 
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