Hopefully, Google stops giving Qualcomm business after this

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  1. Assault macrumors 6502a

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    For those that may or may not know, Qualcomm is notoriously secretive about letting any of their code out into the wild, and therefore make it impossible to create factory images for those that develop (think XDA forum AOSP ROM's) for Android. Specifically, the issue here has to do with Qualcomm's Adreno GPU and Qualcomm's stubborness to release code for that part of the SoC.

    Qualcomm did the same thing with the Nexus One, Nexus 4 and now Nexus 7 (2013 model). As a result, Jean-Baptiste Queru (Google's Lead Developer for AOSP) is quitting the project.
    He just posted on G+, "There's no point being the maintainer of an Operating System that can't boot to the home screen on its flagship device for lack of GPU support..."
    No one knows if this means he has quit Google or is just quitting AOSP and moving to another area within Google?

    Big point is, if you flash ROM's or want to flash ROM's on your new Nexus 7, or even if you don't root your Nex7 all, it appears we will never have the full factory image. Imagine you have a stock brand new Nexus 7 and you get an OTA in a couple of months for Android Key Lime Pie. Something happens during the download and the image is corrupted, leaving you softbricked. Where do you suppose you can go to get a factory image? Normally, Google has them for download (see link below). Welp, to fracking bad for you in this case! Thanks to Qualcomm you are royally screwed.
    If you flash ROM's or are developer, the situation is worse all around. Mainly, because the strongest advocate of AOSP has now quit.

    This is unacceptable and I can only hope that Google gives Qualcomm the middle finger after this and goes back to using Samsung chips. Qualcomm yielded to pressure from Google regarding the original Nexus and the 4, so hopefully they do so again. Stupid software patent b.s. has gotten out of hand by every OEM and it's the consumer that gets shafted in the end.

    By the way, all factory images for Nexus devices (save for the new Nexus 7 codenamed "Razor" ("flo" by XDA devs), can be found at: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images

    ** End Rant
    -Sad face-
     
  2. blackhand1001, Aug 7, 2013
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    I don't know why qualcomm won't at least let the factory images be posted since they don't contain the source code to the proprietary binaries. Its just the blobs. Anyway there are full system dumps of the stock images all over XDA and many other sites so its not a big issue. They can be flashed in fastboot just like official factory images.

    Sounds like stupid lawyers causing more problems than they solve.
     
  3. Sensamic macrumors 68030

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    Agreed.

    I hope the next Nexus phone doesn't have a Qualcomm chipset.

    Factory images are one of the main reasons I want a Nexus phone and bought my Nexus 10.
     
  4. asthamapheo macrumors 6502

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    well atleast their processors are the fastest, most advanced, highly efficient, etc. and they also have the best GPU, the thing you're talking about is an issue, but not everyone faces it. if you want a nexus device sporting exynos chip, go for the GS4 GE.
     
  5. tbayrgs macrumors 603

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    That's not an option, the Google Play Edition of the S4 has the Snapdragon 600.
     
  6. asthamapheo macrumors 6502

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    ohhh...my bad:eek:
     
  7. TheHateMachine macrumors 6502a

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    I was under the impression Devs were also having similar issues with the Exynos.
     
  8. AutoUnion39 macrumors 601

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    There is no way to get away with not using Qualcomm Chips these days. They hold key LTE modem patents and their snapdragons run pretty much every smartphone out there.
     
  9. jimbo1mcm macrumors 68000

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    Keep the faith. The folks at XDA are relentless and smart.
     
  10. Elit3, Aug 9, 2013
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    Very ignorant comment! But the point stands the this hardly affect end users, only Google.
     
  11. blackhand1001, Aug 9, 2013
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    This has no effect on custom roms. Cyanogenmod is just as stable on 2013 nexus as on my 2012 nexus. It only affects google posting the factory images. You can also still restore to stock, there are factory image dumps on xda.
     
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  13. blackhand1001 macrumors 68030

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    Yeah I know. People will stir up anything to try to make a launch of a Google device look bad.
     
  14. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    You forgot to click your fingers in a 'someone say something about something' attitude, and then say 'Mahalo' ! :p :D
     
  15. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    This. I don't think I have ever pulled a factory imagine from Google. I always get them off XDA or other trusted sites.
     
  16. zone23 macrumors 68000

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    Why can't you guys just pull the systems yourself? I mean isn't that what android is all about? Doing it yourself? Why do you need someone else to do it for you?

    I understand what the OP is saying and he is right. The phone manufactures are slowing killing android development or at least making it more difficult. I think the manufactures are taking a lot of heat from the carriers which want devices locked down.
     
  17. kasakka macrumors 68000

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    The issue isn't that there are no drivers, the issue is that there are no open source ones and no source code available, just binary format drivers. This seems similar to how Nvidia and AMD haven't been particularly good at providing open source Linux drivers, just binaries available.
     
  18. skratch77 macrumors 65816

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    Now you know why Samsung is going back to Mali GPU in the exynos advanced soc but knowing Samsung they won't release full drivers either.

    Its funny as everyone was crapping on Samsung for doing this but they did put out stock images and tried to give out as much code as they could.

    Now snapdragon is locking everything up also.
     
  19. RoboWarriorSr macrumors 6502a

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    I was under the impression PowerVR had the best mobile GPU especially with The new Rogue GPU coming out. But Qualcomm has some of the most efficient mobile processors.
     
  20. asthamapheo macrumors 6502

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    the GPU king shall only be determined by benchmark results.:)
     
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  23. blackhand1001, Aug 12, 2013
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    The adreno 320 on my nexus 7 in Egypt HD and trex trumps the powervr. The power vr does good fill rate and the synthetic tests but it doesn't actually help in the real tests like egypt and T Rex and actual games. There was clearly something wrong with the nexus 4 used in this test as well.
    Also keep in mind that adreno 320 can be used in phone applications while the iPad 4s GPU cannot. It has a much larger power requirement and thermal envelope. It also is paired with a much weaker CPU.

    Here's how my nexus 7 2013 benchmarked. No overclock.
    [​IMG]
     
  24. RoboWarriorSr macrumors 6502a

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    Anandtech did some more test on the Adreno 320 and I believe on the Nexus 7 review. Not too sure about the Adreno (wikia has no information except what most already know) but I'm under the impression PowerVR has the only true multicore GPU and Adreno still uses one core for its GPU.
     
  25. blackhand1001 macrumors 68030

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    Pretty sure the adreno 320 has 4 cores as well. The die size on the adreno 320 is much smaller though hence why it can be used in phones. The powervr gpu in the ipad 4 is gigantic. The battery is also gigantic to compensate. I added a photo to my previous post with benchmarks from my nexus 7.
     

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