Horrific Apple Store experience, can anyone help me out here with my Apple Watch?

Yes I do.
Wow, that is pretty bad service for Applecare. With Apple care, I thought you were supposed to get Express Replacement, and better support. Not restoring from an AW backup isn't good service.

I'm not surprised though. It seems like the folks working in Apple Support these days aren't getting as much training, and aren't as knowledgable as they used to be. 😟
 
So you are pissed that government mandated $15 an hour entry level employees (because now all make at least that much here) don't know squat, since they just came here from Taco Bell, same wages. Hiring good employees is extremely difficult with the current "everyone deserves to be able to provide for a family if they can flip the burger".

Good employees are like good customers. It is just really hard to find either now.
Totally off topic, but really interesting thought, that people who are only capable of flipping burgers (or clean toilets, streets etc) are not supposed to earn enough to feed their child.

And that these people can now make 15/h doesn’t really prevent apple from paying more - also enough to attract good employees that can do more than flipping burgers. Last time I checked Apple made more than enough profit to raise salaries.
 
And let me give you a little rundown of what happened yesterday. I drove 30 minutes to the Apple Store. The technician said ”Yes, something is wrong with it. If we can’t fix it we will give you a new one Today. Come back in 2 hours and it will be ready.”
Funny how you "forgot" to mention this in your first post... Almost as if to create some drama and clout.
 
I wasn't ungrateful at all. In fact I thanked them for the loaner even though they had a complete disregard for my time and the time I will have to give them again to get a phone up and running when I have to go back.

When you describe their offer of the XR loaner as "honestly embarrassing", the only corollary I think of is 'ungrateful'. Here's the hard truth: if you have $1600 to spend on a phone, and your day is messed up if you're without it, you can afford another 20%/$350 to buy a spare iPhone. I keep a spare iPhone 11, because if me or one of my immediate family members is in a situation like you had, I don't want that kind of headache.

AT&T stores are open 7 days a week and they'll be happy to give you a traditional SIM for free while you get your replacement phone sorted out.

Apple set their positioning as a premium experience, above the rest, and kept bragging about their customer satisfaction on every keynotes. Well, they better deliver and not having to compare them to the "standard." The loaner phone should be standard, not extra, especially if the repair takes longer than estimated.

If I get the same level of experience as Samsung/Bestbuy, then I expect value prices of the products, not premium prices that Apple is charging.

The OP has paid a premium price for what Apple claims to be a premium product. And he even paid for the premium Apple Care+. If that does not justify that he gets premium service then I don’t know what should
Where in Apple's standard warranty or AppleCare+ do they promise "a premium experience"? If you get that, great. If you are pragmatic and don't want your day ruined by Apple behavior out of your control, you need to take some of this into your own hands and not rely on Apple so much to go above-and-beyond.
 
Most of the folks in the Apple Store are salespeople. I suspect that the ones who work at the Genius Bar are trained as advisors who don't have any insights beyond what you can find on the Apple Support webpages. I wouldn't expect them to repair any hardware beyond ordinary screen and battery replacement. If someone works at an Apple Store I would be interested in hearing about your experience. My experience is that Apple Store employees are friendly and helpful when it comes to sales but I don't get the sense they can do much beyond that. Most manufacturers do not do warranty repairs in their retail stores so I wouldn't expect Apple to either.

For me the appeal of AppleCare+ is the Express Replacement benefit. I always assumed that Express Replacement is not handled in store (it is an option to in store service), so I'm not surprised that it wasn't offered to the OP (although it certainly would be nice if they could assist anyway).

All of this could have been avoided if the store employees had better customer service skills. But that seems to asking too much.
 
So you are pissed that government mandated $15 an hour entry level employees (because now all make at least that much here) don't know squat, since they just came here from Taco Bell, same wages. Hiring good employees is extremely difficult with the current "everyone deserves to be able to provide for a family if they can flip the burger".

Good employees are like good customers. It is just really hard to find either now.

#1. Minimum wage is still less than 8 bucks. Believe it or not. Not many people get that low anymore but the vast majority of people don’t make $15 starting out at most places around here. And it certainly isn’t federally mandated as a minimum wage.

#2. Sure apple employees make that much or more, but I don’t care if you make $2/hour. You should still do your job well. When you take a position, you are agreeing to that pay. Act like it by providing good service. If you are making double the minimum wage, you ought to not treat it like a throw away job.

#3. Let’s say they are bad employees who’s only experience is “flipping burgers” (which to me seems like a derogatory and elitist comment that everyone working that level job wouldn’t know anything else), the OP certainly has the right and the platform here to complain about the service. If you don’t complain, the service won’t get better.

Telling him to sit down and shut up doesn’t add to the conversation one bit.
 
One of the reasons I use Apple care on some products is the Express Replacement. Some products I have, I want fixed quickly because I need them every day. Other products I don't of course. But the promise of Express Replacement seems to be lost here.

Should the OP have phoned support instead of going to the store? Maybe, maybe not... But why is the OP having to guess at how to get Express Replacement, which he/she is paying for?

If this is how Apple does Express Replacement, should we buy Applecare knowing Express Replacement is iffy?
 
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#1. Minimum wage is still less than 8 bucks. Believe it or not. Not many people get that low anymore but the vast majority of people don’t make $15 starting out at most places around here. And it certainly isn’t federally mandated as a minimum wage.

#2. Sure apple employees make that much or more, but I don’t care if you make $2/hour. You should still do your job well. When you take a position, you are agreeing to that pay. Act like it by providing good service. If you are making double the minimum wage, you ought to not treat it like a throw away job.

#3. Let’s say they are bad employees who’s only experience is “flipping burgers” (which to me seems like a derogatory and elitist comment that everyone working that level job wouldn’t know anything else), the OP certainly has the right and the platform here to complain about the service. If you don’t complain, the service won’t get better.

Telling him to sit down and shut up doesn’t add to the conversation one bit.
We only know the OP's side of the story, we didn't get to hear from the employees he interacted with.

Genuine question, have you ever managed large teams of minimum-wage (or close) employees before?
 
For everyone telling him he should have gotten an express replacement: A couple of weeks ago I was told at an Apple Store that if their system says it needs to go to the repair center then it's not possible to do an express replacement.

That's probably why they never suggested it.

I even escalated to a manager who basically told me that for the warranty to apply, it had to be sent away. It sucked at the time, but I ended up using my old X I had at home for a week and it wasn't so bad.
 
I personally believe that paying $1600 for a phone and 5 months in it decides to stop working that Apple should be able to replace the phone on the spot in the store, no questions asked, if you have AppleCare.
But Apple never promised that to its customers, ever. I don't know where you get these expectations from. They tell you up front about the express option when you buy AC+ and clearly tell you that they'll express ship you a new phone from their warehouse. That's the service you bought. I don't understand why you expect a service that was never in any way promised to you or even suggested.
 
I wasn't ungrateful at all. In fact I thanked them for the loaner even though they had a complete disregard for my time and the time I will have to give them again to get a phone up and running when I have to go back.

If I would have (and I wish I would have) bought the phone from Best Buy they would have replaced it with a new one in the store. I had an iPad Pro that I purchased last year have an issue with the screen so I took it into the store. They couldnt’ figure out what was wrong with it so as a Total Tech member they gave me a brand new one in the Box and apologized that it happened.

And let me give you a little rundown of what happened yesterday. I drove 30 minutes to the Apple Store. The technician said ”Yes, something is wrong with it. If we can’t fix it we will give you a new one Today. Come back in 2 hours and it will be ready.”

So I drove 30 minutes home, and then another 30 minutes back to Apple 2 hours later just to be safe on the time. They then tell me that they can’t fix it but will ship it off to a “depot” to see if they can fix it. If they can’t then they will give me a replacement phone. I asked why didn’t they just tell me that the first time when I was there and they just smiled and said “Because we assumed we could fix it.”

Oh and let’s not forget Apple’s genius decision to remove the SIM card. So now I have to call AT&T and get a SIM card activated and then reactivate my other phone whenever I get it back. That process took over an hour because AT&T only saw a 14 Pro Max on my account and kept trying to do an eSim activation.

So my 1TB iPhone 14 Pro Max was replaced with a loaner iPhone XR 64GB and I’m ungrateful? I can’t even restore this phone from backup because I don’t have enough space to restore it. And not only that I lost all my watch data because of them and you think I should be grateful to them? I highly disagree. And if I would have gotten an apology from ONE employee it might have made this a less bitter pill to swallow. But the fact that they just smiled at me like this was all not their problem was really infuriating. I didn’t get a single “I’m really sorry this happened” from one single person.

I only hope I get one of those “How as your experience with …………….“ emails because I won’t hold bacK and will destroy each of the three people that I had the displeasure of talking to yesterday.
I don’t think it’s Apple retail only giving lackadaisical bare-minimum service. Your experience sounds about par for the course these days for most stores :/

Apple SHOULD be better, but even the people working there aren’t completely immune to the social disease malaise that came out of the pandemic and its response. (No, I’m not going to discuss the how’s and why’s. 😜)
 
That's exactly how I think. I was disappointed in the loaner phone but more disappointed in the employees attitudes. I'm not an angry person and wasn't in the store demanding anything in any way. Their complete lack of any type of empathy for the situation was absolutely stunning to me and also angering. They acted like I was out of line for being at all upset over the fact that my $1600 phone that I depend on for work was no longer functioning and that being given a 64GB phone that I couldn't even load my backup on was some grand gesture.

And not only that, my time driving back and forth to the Apple store yesterday as well as waiting in the store for them to activate the pos loaner totaled to over 6 hours. And that doesn't even add in the trip I'll have to make back to the Apple store, get my 14 Pro activated, and drive back home. It will be close to 10 hours of my time dealing with this. So glad I purchased AppleCare+ :rolleyes:

I could deal with ALL of that, and honestly would be fine and just move on. But the fact that I lost all of my health data is what really upsets me and highlights even more how bad the experience was.
I lost my fitness award iMessage badges too, and it was upsetting.

(Mine was my fault for deleting all my health data to save storage space…. But I didn’t know it would delete the badges. No way to get them back 😭)
 
The fact that they gave you a loaner XR at all and your ungratefulness makes me think nothing they could have done would have been acceptable to you.

How would Best Buy have handled things if you strolled in with a dead Samsung S23? They would have told you to call Samsung and take a hike. No loaner, no recommendation to file a claim with Belkin, etc.
The OP had a 14PM. I'd be pretty pissed if they gave me an Xr to work with too. Apple has a policy where they give you loaners on AppleCare+ in the event that you need a repair.
 
But Apple never promised that to its customers, ever. I don't know where you get these expectations from. They tell you up front about the express option when you buy AC+ and clearly tell you that they'll express ship you a new phone from their warehouse. That's the service you bought. I don't understand why you expect a service that was never in any way promised to you or even suggested.
Actually they told me that they do that all the time. So it’s not like its some bizarre request. They just said they want to see if they could fix mine instead of giving me a replacement. Apple gives replacements in store all the time, this time they just chose not to.
 
Is the OP talking about his iPhone? Forgive me for this, but aren’t we on the Apple Watch board and not the iPhone board for this post to be placed?
 
The loaner policy makes no mention of a like-for-like iPhone.
Ok that’s fine. But how about a phone that doesn’t have 82% battery health and doesn’t last more than 3 hours fully charged. Is that also asking too much? The lengths some of you will go to defend a corporation are incredible.
 
Is the OP talking about his iPhone? Forgive me for this, but aren’t we on the Apple Watch board and not the iPhone board for this post to be placed?

Well I was asking for help on how to get my health data back on the Apple Watch.
 
Well I was asking for help on how to get my health data back on the Apple Watch.
Assuming you setup your loaner phone with your appleID, go to settings, iCloud, apps - is there data for the health app? This is what mine shows,
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I very much disagree. I'm not ungrateful they gave me a loaner phone. I'm angry over the fact they made me make multiple trips to their store, gave me wrong information each time I was there, and had a complete disregard for my time on top of giving me a complete piece of garbage to use as a replacement phone.

And yes, I abosolutely expect them to have multiple 1TB iPhones sitting around. They DID have them sitting around, they just didn't want to give me one. They'd rather ship my phone off, crack it open, see if they can fix it, and then ship either a refurbished iPhone back to me or the repaired one. That's what is troubling to me. They won't dare hurt their profit margin by giving a consumer a new phone to replace a broken one. They only want to give people refurb phones now for broken ones. Its a garbage policy and I should have been given one of the many new ones they had in stock at the store. But "policy" said they couldn't do that.

Also, the loaner phones they are giving people ARE complete garbage. Its so cheap and petty of Apple to give people iPhone XR's as loaner phones. At bare minimum an iPhone 12 should be the lowest they give someone to use as a loaner. This hunk of junk they gave me has a battery health of 82% and frankly is barely useable. So please stop with the "You should be so grateful to Apple that they bestowed upon you a device to use for the 5 month old $1600 brick you handed over to them."

I'm an ex-retailer. I too have been both pleased and infuriated by the service at Apple Stores. I think there are a lot of reasons for this, including the Apple Store's hiring practices and Apple's corporate culture, but two things, I believe, are important causes for the unacceptable treatment you received.

First, I've heard Apple Stores exert an extremely high level of control, just short of being as scripted as call center workers, over how its customer-facing employees speak with customers. In typical Apple fashion, this means common words like "no" are not allowed (similar to how device dimensions are always described as "x mm thin", not "x mm thick" by Apple Marketing) which leads to a lot of strange, convoluted conversations. This makes a lot of customers frustrated which then leads to high stress levels for store workers. Stressed and strictly supervised staffs are not good for customer service.

Second, Apple Stores seem to follow a unionized workplace model (very ironic) for organizing sales floor staff. Roles and responsibilities are extremely narrow and inflexible. So, for example, a Greeter cannot answer a simple question about an iPad. Greeters can only greet and direct customers to other Apple workers. Not because they don’t know the answer but because Greeter is their role that shift. When this inflexibility is combined with scripted responses, customers again get frustrated.

None of this, of course, excuses how Apple handled your problem. But I view what happened as a combination of Apple Store policy and individual employee behavior.

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ETA: Later posts in this thread might be evidence that Apple Store workers are also not allowed to say "sorry" or to make direct apologies to customers. Workers may be trained to "empathize" with whatever negative feelings are expressed by a customer instead. For example, the response to "I'm angry a complete wipe of my phone did not fix the problem and I wasted a lot of time!" would be "I hear what you're saying about how resets can take a lot of time."
 
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Ok that’s fine. But how about a phone that doesn’t have 82% battery health and doesn’t last more than 3 hours fully charged. Is that also asking too much? The lengths some of you will go to defend a corporation are incredible.

I have been a retail store manager for a multi-billion dollar company, one that every person in the US has shopped at. I'm not defending Apple, I'm just telling you like it is. A iPhone XR with 82% battery health was apparently the best solution they had at the time. And it satisfies their commitment to you.

I realize your expectations are higher/different. But you're crossing a threshold where your expectations need to be managed, or you can take things into your own hands and keep a spare.
 
Just curious: was there no next day express exchange possible? In my experience I get the replacement product the very next day, no repair needed. I live in Europe btw.
I had a 12 pro with a cracked screen & back (and AppleCare) that I took in last fall around the launch of the 14. Oddly enough the system made them ship it off to a depot to be diagnosed and then send me a repair by mail. I’m not sure if it’s because I’d had so many repairs/swaps on my account over the past few years of what. But it added a week and a half to what should have been 1-3 days (the usual, we don’t have it so let us order it in store and then you come swap it out)
 
Uh, no you don’t have a replacement phone in your drawer for emergencies. You have a phone with a SIM card that you will have to go to the AT&T store to get activated with a new SIM card. Its not simple like it used to be.
For what it’s worth on eSIM, you can activate from the AT&T app an eSIM. But signing into the AT&T app if your old phone is dead is not possible, it needs text message access to do 2-factor authentication.

So you need to go to the AT&T store to get an eSIM on the XR (also I don’t know if you knew this but the XR has eSIM capabilities). Why you would want an eSIM on the XR is that you can transfer it to the 14 when you get the 14 up and running if you have the XR, the Settings lets you transfer the eSIM.

That said, no guarantees it actually works, lol, because activation servers have not been very reliable.
 
…Second, Apple Stores seem to follow a unionized workplace model (very ironic) for organizing sales floor staff. Roles and responsibilities are extremely narrow and inflexible. So, for example, a Greeter cannot answer a simple question about an iPad. Greeters can only greet and direct customers to other Apple workers. When this inflexibility is combined with scripted responses, customers again get frustrated.
If this is what unions are about in the US I can see why they get a bad reputation. Why do you need to go to so extremes?!?

You work. You do your best. If the best is better than your job description, you’re promoted.

You can still have a union that helps you negotiate better compensation for both you and your colleagues and helps you if you get fired unlawfully.
 
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