Houses Near Apple Park Met With Increased Tourism and Rising Real Estate Values

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Construction progress surrounding Apple Park has been well documented over the past few years, with monthly drone videos providing anyone interested with clear glimpses into Apple's spacious new campus. Less discussed have been the neighborhoods surrounding Apple Park, including how they have been affected by Apple's construction on a campus that measures 2.8 million square feet, spans 176 acres, and will eventually house around 12,000 employees.

    A new report by The New York Times this week has focused on the positive and negative outcomes following Apple's announcement of its major new site, which officially began construction in 2013. In the town of Sunnyvale, which sits across the street from Apple Park, as many as 95 development projects have entered planning stages in recent years, while local businesses in Cupertino have pivoted to meet the needs of Apple employees, including a Residence Inn opening in September that will be stocked with Macs for guests.

    Sunnyvale residents, whose home sits across from Apple Park via The New York Times

    Eventually, onlookers won't be able to see Apple Park's circular "spaceship" building from nearby streets (thanks to Apple's sourcing of 9,000 trees coming to Apple Park as the year progresses). Until then, the campus is attracting tourists to come out and take pictures and fly drones over the site. Some who live nearby welcome to boom to businesses and tourism, even allowing tourists to stand outside on their driveways as they pilot drones over Apple Park.
    Residents of nearby neighborhood Birdland have been more critical of Apple's construction, complaining about loud noises early in the morning, unpredictable road closures, unsightly barriers, and construction potholes that have resulted in punctured tires. In response, Apple has tried to appease frustrated residents, going so far as to send carwash certificates to a woman who called the company about her vehicle getting covered in construction dust, and offering to pay for a solution to bottlenecked traffic.
    Apple hosted over 110 community gatherings when Apple Park was in the design phase, intended to get feedback from residents who would be living near the campus. After the meetings, Apple sent out community mailers five times to around 26,000 households in the area. Apple vice president of real estate and development, Dan Whisenhunt, said that the company continues to respond to community concerns as best it can, "and if the issue is serious enough, I will personally visit to see what is going on."

    With all of the increased traffic of businesses, Apple employees, and interested civilians, the value of property in the neighborhoods surrounding Apple Park has also increased. Local real estate agents told The New York Times that in the wake of Apple's plans for the campus being released as far back as 2011, "prices in the area really started to rise." In 2011, a three-bedroom, two-bathroom, 1,400 square-foot house was priced at $750,000, and has since doubled in price.

    On average, prices for local homes have increased by 15 to 20 percent each year since 2011, and those bidding on homes in the area offer 20 to 25 percent over the asking price in order to secure real estate.
    Although a small number of employees have already moved into Apple Park, construction is expected to continue into the second half of 2017, with buildings like the Steve Jobs Theater predicted to open sometime in the fall. The latest drone videos have captured shots of the lit-up Steve Jobs Theater and historic Glendenning Barn.

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  2. geoff5093 macrumors 68000


    Sep 16, 2014
    Dover, NH
    $750k for a 3 bedroom house before it doubled in value? Holy crap.
  3. Sunny1990 macrumors 65816


    Feb 13, 2015
    Apple Park. I like it. I'm hoping iPhone 8 announcement will be the first event they hold there.
  4. 4ubrey macrumors member


    Jun 23, 2010
    1400 sq feet for $1.5M?

    Just sell it, move somewhere reasonable and live like a boss.
  5. newyorksole macrumors 68020

    Apr 2, 2008
    New York.
    Can't wait for it to be finished and open. Apple has opened up some great locations this year. Both retail and corporate.
  6. DipDog3 macrumors 65816


    Sep 20, 2002
    Profit from doing nothing and then complain about it.
    It's the American Way!
  7. RightMACatU macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2012
    Property taxes should follow in the same direction ;)
  8. BornAgainMac, Jul 5, 2017
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    BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    And there was a woman that wanted free Wi-Fi when Steve presented the proposal.
  9. GrumpyMom macrumors 601


    Sep 11, 2014
    I really feel for those residents. There are limits to what I'll post about in a public forum even under a screen name. Suffice it to say, I empathize for reasons I'll keep to myself. I am just glad that those who want to leave may get a chance to profit and move on to better things. But few people would want to uproot themselves from their homes due to conditions essentially forcing them to. Some might have fond memories attached and sentimental reasons for wanting to stay. At least Apple has tried to be considerate, which is more than I can say for some new neighbors who develop land in an established neighborhood.
  10. JesperA macrumors 6502a

    Feb 10, 2012
    Yeah, i remember years and years ago, people who lived in SV saw a huge increase in property tax thanks to the SV became a cultural phenomenon, if i remember correctly some home owners where forced out of their homes and had to live in camper vans instead.

    If i would live there i would sell my property in a heart beat but i feel sorry for those who want to live there but now are forced out of their own homes
  11. nfl46 macrumors 603

    Oct 5, 2008
    I'll definitely to selling that house and taking the money. 750k in 2011, 1.5 million now? Wow. Sell ASAP!
  12. ArtOfWarfare macrumors 604


    Nov 26, 2007
    And I thought my house of a similar size increasing in value from $250K to $300K in ~18 months was nuts.
  13. B4U macrumors 65816


    Oct 11, 2012
    Just drove by there last month and the traffic was already horrible.
    Why would someone want to live there is just beyond my understanding.
  14. manu chao, Jul 5, 2017
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    manu chao macrumors 603

    Jul 30, 2003
    • 2016: iPhone 7 announcement: Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, holding ~7000 people in normal configuration, ~3000 in Apple's configuration
    • 2015: iPhone 6s announcement: Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, holding ~7000 people in normal configuration, ~3000 in Apple's configuration
    • 2014: iPhone 6: Flint Center for Performing Arts, holding ~2400 people
    • 2013: iPhone 5s: Apple's Town Hall, holding ~300 people
    • 2012: iPhone 5: Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, holding ~750 people
    • 2011: iPhone 4s: Apple's Town Hall, holding ~300 people
    The Steve Jobs' theatre in Apple Park holds about 1000 people, its general design was unveiled in summer 2011 (with the rest of the new campus), at a time when Apple probably thought that 1000 seats would be enough for its events (outside of WWDC).
  15. tzm41 macrumors newbie


    Jul 11, 2014
    Boston, USA
    Wow almost catching up with property price of Beijing or Shanghai... This is going insane.
  16. miknos macrumors 6502a


    Mar 14, 2008
    And it doesn't care if your house is "worth double". If you don't sell it, there's no profit.
  17. CrystalQuest76 macrumors 6502

    Dec 14, 2015
    West Cost A Lot
    For many reasons those residents may not be able to sell. In the mean time they have to pay higher taxes on a home that is only worth what they paid for it; until it is sold.
  18. Weaselboy Moderator


    Staff Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    Not exactly. California limits property tax to one percent of original value (when you bought it), with a max bump of two percent a year. So even if your house value went from 200,000 to a million, your property tax would only go up two percent a year.
  19. DogHouseDub macrumors regular


    Sep 19, 2007
    This^^^ - nobody is being driven from their home by property tax increases. The property value can only be adjusted when it is sold.

    And yes, $1.5M for 1500 sqft is about right for the area.
  20. ksnell macrumors 6502


    Aug 26, 2012
    Nothing lasts forever. At least their property values will be driven up rather than down by it all.
  21. Tycho24 macrumors 68020


    Aug 29, 2014
    A 20% rise in value of an asset over 18 months is mildly pleasant.. but FAR from “nuts”.
    After all.... Apple stock, over the last 18 months, appreciated 37%, and this wasn’t even really considered that banner of a last four quarters.
  22. sachinwalia macrumors member

    Feb 5, 2010
    Bay Area, CA
    I live about 2 miles away from this location and I could tell you that within that location there is no live-able single family home available for $1.5m. When you tell real estate agent that your budget is $1.5m they tell you to up it to $1.7m if you want a house that you can move in. Even then you are dealing with multiple offers where you could be outbid by at least $200k (so $2m is a realistic number for ready to move in house). The real estate is extremely expensive within that location and only way it is moving is up. I have seen my condo (1330 sqft) that we bought in 2012 for $470K to be in vicinity of $1m right now.
  23. hotgril, Jul 5, 2017
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    hotgril Suspended


    Jul 4, 2017
    Artsakh, Armenia
    There are limits on how quickly property tax can increase. IDK what they are there, but they're very low here, not enough to force anyone out. Edit: Oh, someone already posted a better answer.

    It creates some interesting conditions. Where I live, property used to be very cheap and is now some of the most expensive in the country, and those who bought early pay almost no tax.
    --- Post Merged, Jul 5, 2017 ---
    Yeah, I don't understand the property tax. You're taxed when you sell the home anyway. Property tax ends up weirdly benefitting certain people directly at the expense of others. And if someone develops on empty land, a tax assessor has to judge its value, which obviously creates all kinds of injustices and other problems. There have been cases of bribery in Los Angeles.
    --- Post Merged, Jul 5, 2017 ---
    Most things in the US have gone up in value lately. Someone mentioned AAPL above, but looking at a more stable stock, an investment in the S&P500 would have increased by more than that in the past 18 months. But, of course, owning a house also means you get to live in it, and that's worth a lot more than the S&P500 dividends ;)
  24. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Pretty much, though you can also be assessed for property improvements at their current value.
    --- Post Merged, Jul 5, 2017 ---
    The problem with trying to profit from the ownership of your own home is, you still have to live somewhere, so that huge "profit" from selling your home is likely going right back into another one. If you are at or beyond retirement age you could choose to become an equity refugee and move to somewhere where the real estate is cheaper. But if you're working, or have other reasons for staying in an area, you aren't going to be profiting. The other aspect of this calculation in California is the perverse system of real estate taxation, whereby you could very easily end up paying far more in property taxes for moving, even with downsizing.
  25. WRChris macrumors 6502a


    Aug 17, 2016
    1.5 million? I'd laugh all the way to the bank. Idc what anyone else can afford, but who the hell would pay that much for shelter?

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