iPad Pro how and why to switch to iPad

[spacebro]

I loved the mouse/keyboard paradigm but its ending. I can type really fast from playing muds in the 90s and I'm really good with a mouse from playing counterstrike for many years in the early 2000s (I'd run around with the TPM which required THREE shots to the head to get a kill and still have a good KD ratio). I accept that these devices will be EOL/obsolete very soon. The touch interface is just more intuitive and is about to take over. Editing text is a breeze although entering text on a soft keyboard will have a lower WPM. I don't think this issue is a big deal, I found that it is more trouble to carry around a magic keyboard than it is to just use the soft keyboard.

To make the transition, I had to block certain sites on MacBook to force me to use the iPad. I did this for facebook and reddit and from there was able to switch all entertainment/consumption stuff to iPad. It makes the MacBook distraction-free and I can work better. Entertainment is also better because I can run youtube and whatever else and it doesn't have to spin up a fan or torch my legs, even 3d games don't get the iPad hot. I also use the iPad for work when I need to write documents or spreadsheets. A touch interface is much more intuitive for these tasks. If you don't have procreate, this app is essential. Its everything that we thought microsoft paint would become. I'm no artist but I use it to take notes and sketch ideas.

The iPad is a more professional work tool than a MacBook. Especially for meetings the iPad removes the screen barrier between the people you are talking to. You can pull up any documents, take notes, pull up websites, and flip it around or pass it to someone to show them. If you do need to write something down, people can see what you are doing and know you aren't distracted replying to slack messages or emails or whatever. Unless someone needs specialized software to do their job, most office workers can now completely switch to iPad.

I only use a MacBook for focused work like IDE coding and CAD stuff. With the iPad containing all communication and apps that have distracting alerts, I can work much better on my main money making activities which are done on MacBook. Even these tasks will switch very soon to iPad. With iPad benchmarks coming close to MacBook benchmarks we are only waiting for the right software to come out before the MacBook can be entirely replaced. Maybe the 12.9" has to grow to 14-15", its just a little too big to reach anywhere on the screen with your thumbs, may as well make it a little bigger so it looks more like a 15" MacBook pro replacement. Most people don't know it yet but they will never buy another MacBook. I would not be surprised if the last MacBook refresh is some time in the next 5 years. Times are changing!

 

[pika2000]

Yeah, people need to listen to Steve Jobs' car vs truck analogy. There will always be trucks (regular PCs/Macs) needed for specific tasks, but most people will have alternative devices (iPads, Chromebooks, etc) fulfilling their general needs.

It shows how visionary Steve Jobs was, way early by steering Apple towards iPad and prepping up Apple for the future by designing their own mobile chips.

 

[spacebro]

Yeah, people need to listen to Steve Jobs' car vs truck analogy. There will always be trucks (regular PCs/Macs) needed for specific tasks, but most people will have alternative devices (iPads, Chromebooks, etc) fulfilling their general needs.

It shows how visionary Steve Jobs was, way early by steering Apple towards iPad and prepping up Apple for the future by designing their own mobile chips.

I think the demise of the Mac will follow the demise of the pickup truck. Sales volume will steadily decline while prices go up and options go down. We already see how the Mac line generally get more expensive and is reduced to 6 options- 3 MacBooks, 2 iMacs and a Mac Pro. This happened to pickup trucks in the late 90s. Soon after that, companies consolidated their truck lines and some like Mazda completely stopped selling trucks. Newer companies like Kia never even started selling trucks. When apple decides to stop selling trucks there will be a lot of disappointed fans just like when Mazda discontinued theirs. I think Apple will be way ahead of the pack in discontinuing their trucks.

 

[pika2000]

I think the demise of the Mac will follow the demise of the pickup truck. Sales volume will steadily decline while prices go up and options go down. We already see how the Mac line generally get more expensive and is reduced to 6 options- 3 MacBooks, 2 iMacs and a Mac Pro. This happened to pickup trucks in the late 90s. Soon after that, companies consolidated their truck lines and some like Mazda completely stopped selling trucks. Newer companies like Kia never even started selling trucks. When apple decides to stop selling trucks there will be a lot of disappointed fans just like when Mazda discontinued theirs. I think Apple will be way ahead of the pack in discontinuing their trucks.

I don't think Apple would ever discontinue their Macs. Less frequent updates and more streamlined options, sure, but discontinue? I doubt it. Just like you said, they will push Macs towards higher ASP (ie. the iMac Pro).

 

[LovingTeddy]

Yeah, people need to listen to Steve Jobs' car vs truck analogy. There will always be trucks (regular PCs/Macs) needed for specific tasks, but most people will have alternative devices (iPads, Chromebooks, etc) fulfilling their general needs.

It shows how visionary Steve Jobs was, way early by steering Apple towards iPad and prepping up Apple for the future by designing their own mobile chips.

One thing that I already believe in is converge between traditional tablet and traditional laptops. I still believe Microsoft Surface line would be the future or iPad running its specialized OS with compatibility of both iOS and OS X apps.

There will always be people who need the desktop or powerful laptops for work, research or even entertainment purpose.

Most people like the idea of combining multiple types of devices into one. At least for me, I would hate carrying my ThinkPad and iPad Pro at same time. Hence, if I am going to update my ThinkPad at some point, I will probably choose Microsoft Surface line and retiring iPad Pro at together. Since Surface line really have best of both world. I would still keep purchasing base line iPad for my iPad needs.

I have been using my 9.7 iPad and 12.9 iPad Pro with keyboard case in past few months. It worked fine and I have no complains. iPad can almost replacing my PC with few exceptions. And these exceptions made me decided to looking at Microsoft Sureface line.
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I loved the mouse/keyboard paradigm but its ending. I can type really fast from playing muds in the 90s and I'm really good with a mouse from playing counterstrike for many years in the early 2000s (I'd run around with the TPM which required THREE shots to the head to get a kill and still have a good KD ratio). I accept that these devices will be EOL/obsolete very soon. The touch interface is just more intuitive and is about to take over. Editing text is a breeze although entering text on a soft keyboard will have a lower WPM. I don't think this issue is a big deal, I found that it is more trouble to carry around a magic keyboard than it is to just use the soft keyboard.

To make the transition, I had to block certain sites on MacBook to force me to use the iPad. I did this for facebook and reddit and from there was able to switch all entertainment/consumption stuff to iPad. It makes the MacBook distraction-free and I can work better. Entertainment is also better because I can run youtube and whatever else and it doesn't have to spin up a fan or torch my legs, even 3d games don't get the iPad hot. I also use the iPad for work when I need to write documents or spreadsheets. A touch interface is much more intuitive for these tasks. If you don't have procreate, this app is essential. Its everything that we thought microsoft paint would become. I'm no artist but I use it to take notes and sketch ideas.

The iPad is a more professional work tool than a MacBook. Especially for meetings the iPad removes the screen barrier between the people you are talking to. You can pull up any documents, take notes, pull up websites, and flip it around or pass it to someone to show them. If you do need to write something down, people can see what you are doing and know you aren't distracted replying to slack messages or emails or whatever. Unless someone needs specialized software to do their job, most office workers can now completely switch to iPad.

I only use a MacBook for focused work like IDE coding and CAD stuff. With the iPad containing all communication and apps that have distracting alerts, I can work much better on my main money making activities which are done on MacBook. Even these tasks will switch very soon to iPad. With iPad benchmarks coming close to MacBook benchmarks we are only waiting for the right software to come out before the MacBook can be entirely replaced. Maybe the 12.9" has to grow to 14-15", its just a little too big to reach anywhere on the screen with your thumbs, may as well make it a little bigger so it looks more like a 15" MacBook pro replacement. Most people don't know it yet but they will never buy another MacBook. I would not be surprised if the last MacBook refresh is some time in the next 5 years. Times are changing!

As I read with your post, I don’t see the how keyboard and mice paradigms is ending. Touchscreen will never match the speed and versatilities of keyboard and mice combined. You can set all short of keyboard combinations for fast nagvations and mice is really for precise negation. As I am typing this reply on my iPad with my keyboard case, I used several key combination to negative, switch around apps, copy and past. Imagine if you have do all these tasks with only your hand, it will be much slower than keyboard shortcuts.

If you ever need get some real work done, even something simple like doing Excel sheet with more than 50 cells, keyboard and mice operation is much faster than constantly touching the glass. It is for real. You are doing your real work with IDE and CAD stuff and iPad as communication and entertainment devices. Why?

I only took my iPad out of my keyboard case before I go to bed. Other times, I will leave it in my keyboard case. I also use stylus for any touch input. This is easier for my arm and have more precise control.

 

[pika2000]

One thing that I already believe in is converge between traditional tablet and traditional laptops. I still believe Microsoft Surface line would be the future or iPad running its specialized OS with compatibility of both iOS and OS X apps.

There will always be people who need the desktop or powerful laptops for work, research or even entertainment purpose.

Most people like the idea of combining multiple types of devices into one. At least for me, I would hate carrying my ThinkPad and iPad Pro at same time. Hence, if I am going to update my ThinkPad at some point, I will probably choose Microsoft Surface line and retiring iPad Pro at together. Since Surface line really have best of both world. I would still keep purchasing base line iPad for my iPad needs.

I have been using my 9.7 iPad and 12.9 iPad Pro with keyboard case in past few months. It worked fine and I have no complains. iPad can almost replacing my PC with few exceptions. And these exceptions made me decided to looking at Microsoft Sureface line.
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As I read with your post, I don’t see the how keyboard and mice paradigms is ending. Touchscreen will never match the speed and versatilities of keyboard and mice combined. You can set all short of keyboard combinations for fast nagvations and mice is really for precise negation. As I am typing this reply on my iPad with my keyboard case, I used several key combination to negative, switch around apps, copy and past. Imagine if you have do all these tasks with only your hand, it will be much slower than keyboard shortcuts.

If you ever need get some real work done, even something simple like doing Excel sheet with more than 50 cells, keyboard and mice operation is much faster than constantly touching the glass. It is for real. You are doing your real work with IDE and CAD stuff and iPad as communication and entertainment devices. Why?

I only took my iPad out of my keyboard case before I go to bed. Other times, I will leave it in my keyboard case. I also use stylus for any touch input. This is easier for my arm and have more precise control.

I disagree on the Surface. When you look in real life on how people use their Surface Pros, they use it as a laptop, because it’s actually is a laptop. Microsoft just fooled us into paying more for the keyboard that is sold separately.

And the trend died down. OEMs first were getting warm to the new form factor, but other than one or two models, you don’t really hear much about them. What people want are laptops. Even MS acknowledged this and make the Surface Book and Laptop.

Just try using the Surface Pro as a tablet. I did when I got mine but didn’t get the keyboard right away, and it was a painful experience. When you put a desktop OS into a tablet, people will expect the same desktop experience, and you start compromising the tablet experience. MS tried it with WinRT, and it got such a huge backlash because people expected it to be the Windows they know. IMO Apple did it right by making the tablet OS completely different than macOS, thus they can design it for best tablet experience instead of compromising it with legacy experience people expected from a desktop OS.

 

[spacebro]

One thing that I already believe in is converge between traditional tablet and traditional laptops. I still believe Microsoft Surface line would be the future or iPad running its specialized OS with compatibility of both iOS and OS X apps.

There will always be people who need the desktop or powerful laptops for work, research or even entertainment purpose.

Most people like the idea of combining multiple types of devices into one. At least for me, I would hate carrying my ThinkPad and iPad Pro at same time. Hence, if I am going to update my ThinkPad at some point, I will probably choose Microsoft Surface line and retiring iPad Pro at together. Since Surface line really have best of both world. I would still keep purchasing base line iPad for my iPad needs.

I have been using my 9.7 iPad and 12.9 iPad Pro with keyboard case in past few months. It worked fine and I have no complains. iPad can almost replacing my PC with few exceptions. And these exceptions made me decided to looking at Microsoft Sureface line.
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As I read with your post, I don’t see the how keyboard and mice paradigms is ending. Touchscreen will never match the speed and versatilities of keyboard and mice combined. You can set all short of keyboard combinations for fast nagvations and mice is really for precise negation. As I am typing this reply on my iPad with my keyboard case, I used several key combination to negative, switch around apps, copy and past. Imagine if you have do all these tasks with only your hand, it will be much slower than keyboard shortcuts.

If you ever need get some real work done, even something simple like doing Excel sheet with more than 50 cells, keyboard and mice operation is much faster than constantly touching the glass. It is for real. You are doing your real work with IDE and CAD stuff and iPad as communication and entertainment devices. Why?

I only took my iPad out of my keyboard case before I go to bed. Other times, I will leave it in my keyboard case. I also use stylus for any touch input. This is easier for my arm and have more precise control.

Most task management shortcut has a touch equivalent. I was surprised how a lot of them like alt-tab work on iOS. I could not learn all the touch stuff until after I put the magic keyboard away. I’m using the soft keyboard now and it’s not bad at all. You don’t need the button feedback as much because you more easily see your fingers along with autocorrect fixing small errors. Once you get used to it you can be very close to a real keyboard for efficiency. I do not even think they need to bother with adding force touch or programmable textures to the soft keyboard. Try to do some serious 10 finger typing on the soft keyboard I think you will have better results than you would expect.

 

[subjonas]

Touch is more intuitive while mouse is more precise and requires less movement. They simply have different strengths and weaknesses. It just depends what your needs are. Neither is going to completely replace the other for everyone.

 

[bensisko]

I don’t know why there is this black and white mentality when it comes to computers. I don’t see touchscreens “taking over”. Yes, some devices will be primarily touchscreens (iPad), some will be laptops with touchscreens (Surface), some will be traditional (MacBooks). I know people that think AR glasses will “takeover” and be the way we do things from now on... and I said the same thing to them.

I think the demise of the Mac will follow the demise of the pickup truck. Sales volume will steadily decline while prices go up and options go down. We already see how the Mac line generally get more expensive and is reduced to 6 options- 3 MacBooks, 2 iMacs and a Mac Pro.

I actually count 7 - you forgot the Mac Mini. Not to mention, there are tons of options within those categories (screen size, specs, etc.). Oh, and Mac laptop sales actually increased last year.

As far as the number of options, it’s really no different than it has been in the past. Ever since the Aron 2000s, Apple has aimed to keep their product line relatively simple (unlike many other PC makers... ever try to buy a computer from Dell???).

One thing that I already believe in is converge between traditional tablet and traditional laptops. I still believe Microsoft Surface line would be the future or iPad running its specialized OS with compatibility of both iOS and OS X apps.

I doubt it. Apple has made it quite clear that they don’t intend to meld the platforms - they have their mobile devices and their desktop devices. IF something like that we’re to happen, it would be an entirely new OS - not OS X or iOS. For the foreseeable future, Apple s quite content to have separate platforms.

At the end of the day, Apple was right to keep the, separate. Looking at the Surface and Windows 10, Microsoft isn’t even trying to pretend it’s a tablet or mobile device anymore - it’s a laptop with a touch screen. Microsoft talked big with Continuum, but nothing came of it.

I disagree on the Surface. When you look in real life on how people use their Surface Pros, they use it as a laptop, because it’s actually is a laptop. Microsoft just fooled us into paying more for the keyboard that is sold separately.

And the trend died down. OEMs first were getting warm to the new form factor, but other than one or two models, you don’t really hear much about them. What people want are laptops. Even MS acknowledged this and make the Surface Book and Laptop.

Just try using the Surface Pro as a tablet. I did when I got mine but didn’t get the keyboard right away, and it was a painful experience. When you put a desktop OS into a tablet, people will expect the same desktop experience, and you start compromising the tablet experience. MS tried it with WinRT, and it got such a huge backlash because people expected it to be the Windows they know. IMO Apple did it right by making the tablet OS completely different than macOS, thus they can design it for best tablet experience instead of compromising it with legacy experience people expected from a desktop OS.

Exactly!

 

[LovingTeddy]

I disagree on the Surface. When you look in real life on how people use their Surface Pros, they use it as a laptop, because it’s actually is a laptop. Microsoft just fooled us into paying more for the keyboard that is sold separately.

And the trend died down. OEMs first were getting warm to the new form factor, but other than one or two models, you don’t really hear much about them. What people want are laptops. Even MS acknowledged this and make the Surface Book and Laptop.

Just try using the Surface Pro as a tablet. I did when I got mine but didn’t get the keyboard right away, and it was a painful experience. When you put a desktop OS into a tablet, people will expect the same desktop experience, and you start compromising the tablet experience. MS tried it with WinRT, and it got such a huge backlash because people expected it to be the Windows they know. IMO Apple did it right by making the tablet OS completely different than macOS, thus they can design it for best tablet experience instead of compromising it with legacy experience people expected from a desktop OS.

Surface maybe bad as tablet, but it offers more than iPad it alone. What I am really saying is the converge of laptop and tablet which offers more than just a laptop and just a tablet.

Microsoft Surface really offers more than just a tablet, you get the performance that needed for heavy tasking and you get the convinces for the mobility. This is what people actually look.

Now, if iPad gets its specialized OS which offer the power of traditional desktop OS and you can get heavy tasking done while you maintain the mobility side of it, then I would go for it.

Plus, until you really get everything wireless, Surface offers more ports than iPad. This is also very important for many people. I would like to have more port than just one lightning port.
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Most task management shortcut has a touch equivalent. I was surprised how a lot of them like alt-tab work on iOS. I could not learn all the touch stuff until after I put the magic keyboard away. I’m using the soft keyboard now and it’s not bad at all. You don’t need the button feedback as much because you more easily see your fingers along with autocorrect fixing small errors. Once you get used to it you can be very close to a real keyboard for efficiency. I do not even think they need to bother with adding force touch or programmable textures to the soft keyboard. Try to do some serious 10 finger typing on the soft keyboard I think you will have better results than you would expect.

No. I have tried using touch only. This is no way of comparing using mouse and keyboard combination. I am sure you know so much keyboard shortcut key with your professional software. I operate my desktop computer and iPad with bunch of keyboard shortcuts.

One other thing about typing is ergonomic.

First is the feeling when you type. Good keyboard gives you good anmount of key travels that makes typing easier and satifiying. This is one of the reason mechanical keyboard are very popular.

Second, if you want type on iPad without keyboard and your ten fingers, you really only have one typing position. You need lay the iPad flat down and typing not he on screen keyboard. This creat a problems. First you have no whrist rest, therefore, your arm is not in the most comfortable typing position. Second, when you have your iPad lays down on the surface, you need look down on your iPad while you are typing. This is going to creat constraint on your neck. This is bad for you neck in long term. We already have lots of computer related physical injury as it is. Having your head looking down on the iPad is not the most ergonomic way of doing things.

Third. If you want to be ergonmic when you are typing, you need your iPad facing towards you and have it sit on a stand or case. If you do that, typing on the keyboard is the fastest way.

Forth. iPad is designed using finger to operate the devices. If you have the iPad siting on a case and facing toward you, you need constantly lifting your arm up to operate the devices. This is not ergonomic way to doing thing either. Have a mouse to operate is much more ergonomical.


Also, generally any precise point and select will require mouse opearation. Finger not as precise as mouse, I don’t know about you, I will have hard time to select text on the iPad and do anything requires me select items all the time, like excel sheet. Mouse is just so much more precise.

 

[pika2000]

Surface maybe bad as tablet, but it offers more than iPad it alone. What I am really saying is the converge of laptop and tablet which offers more than just a laptop and just a tablet.

Microsoft Surface really offers more than just a tablet, you get the performance that needed for heavy tasking and you get the convinces for the mobility. This is what people actually look.

Now, if iPad gets its specialized OS which offer the power of traditional desktop OS and you can get heavy tasking done while you maintain the mobility side of it, then I would go for it.

Plus, until you really get everything wireless, Surface offers more ports than iPad. This is also very important for many people. I would like to have more port than just one lightning port.

You feel the Surface Pro to be more because you wanted a laptop, and the Surface Pro IS a laptop. Comparing it with the iPad is non-sensical. And no, Surface Pro doesn't offer "more" vs a laptop, especially in the windows world. It's "bad" as a laptop (top heavy), and extremely poor as a tablet. In short, it is not good at anything. Portability? There are plenty of lighter ultrabooks nowadays than the Surface Pro.

Surface offers more ports than iPad? Sure. But for a laptop, the Surface Pro is a joke. The Surface Pro only has a single USB A port and a mini display port. Nearly every laptop at any price points offer better solutions than the Surface Pro in terms of ports. Heck, even Lenovo made a Surface Pro clone, and put more ports. So comparing Surface Pro to an iPad and pretending it to be superior by number of ports is a fallacy.

What the Surface succeeded is creating a desirable brand for Microsoft (like XBox). People buying Surface Pros for the brand, not because of the utility (like I said, most use it as a laptop, and if one needs a laptop, there are much better laptops for the money out there). If you really love the Surface brand, buy the Surface Book instead, and you will have a much better experience right off the bat vs the Surface Pro.

 

[LovingTeddy]

You feel the Surface Pro to be more because you wanted a laptop, and the Surface Pro IS a laptop. Comparing it with the iPad is non-sensical. And no, Surface Pro doesn't offer "more" vs a laptop, especially in the windows world. It's "bad" as a laptop (top heavy), and extremely poor as a tablet. In short, it is not good at anything. Portability? There are plenty of lighter ultrabooks nowadays than the Surface Pro.

Surface offers more ports than iPad? Sure. But for a laptop, the Surface Pro is a joke. The Surface Pro only has a single USB A port and a mini display port. Nearly every laptop at any price points offer better solutions than the Surface Pro in terms of ports. Heck, even Lenovo made a Surface Pro clone, and put more ports. So comparing Surface Pro to an iPad and pretending it to be superior by number of ports is a fallacy.

What the Surface succeeded is creating a desirable brand for Microsoft (like XBox). People buying Surface Pros for the brand, not because of the utility (like I said, most use it as a laptop, and if one needs a laptop, there are much better laptops for the money out there). If you really love the Surface brand, buy the Surface Book instead, and you will have a much better experience right off the bat vs the Surface Pro.

I disagree with you. I have had the company issued Surface Pro 2 and I had good experience with it. It offered me the versatility of both world. If I wanted to use it as a tablet, I can do it with my finger and stylus at same time. If I want use as a laptop, I pop it with the keyboard.

I do not need carry my tablet and my windows laptop at same time. This is the key. It is the convince, not necessary that Surface Pro is good at both. I don’t need a product that excel on one, I wanted and lots of people want a devices that offers the convince, even means there are some comprise.

With regarding with port, it offers one USB port, one display port and more importantly SD card slot. I usually have the keyboard case attached with the Surface and I don’t need plug in mouse. If i need USB, I can plug in as well.. Well, iPad provide no port at all beside that lightning port. I can at least plug some USB devices with Surface with that stupid adaptor. Therefore, Surface Pro is superior than iPad in terms of ability to plug in different devices.

By the way, even with the adaptor, the iPad hardly recognize any USB devices.

Is Surface a prefect product? Far from it. Like you said, it is more of comprised product. But that is fine. I like it, because it offered more than just a laptop or a tablet. It is convenient for me and I argue lots of people.

 

[spacebro]

Surface maybe bad as tablet, but it offers more than iPad it alone. What I am really saying is the converge of laptop and tablet which offers more than just a laptop and just a tablet.

Microsoft Surface really offers more than just a tablet, you get the performance that needed for heavy tasking and you get the convinces for the mobility. This is what people actually look.

Now, if iPad gets its specialized OS which offer the power of traditional desktop OS and you can get heavy tasking done while you maintain the mobility side of it, then I would go for it.

Plus, until you really get everything wireless, Surface offers more ports than iPad. This is also very important for many people. I would like to have more port than just one lightning port.
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No. I have tried using touch only. This is no way of comparing using mouse and keyboard combination. I am sure you know so much keyboard shortcut key with your professional software. I operate my desktop computer and iPad with bunch of keyboard shortcuts.

One other thing about typing is ergonomic.

First is the feeling when you type. Good keyboard gives you good anmount of key travels that makes typing easier and satifiying. This is one of the reason mechanical keyboard are very popular.

Second, if you want type on iPad without keyboard and your ten fingers, you really only have one typing position. You need lay the iPad flat down and typing not he on screen keyboard. This creat a problems. First you have no whrist rest, therefore, your arm is not in the most comfortable typing position. Second, when you have your iPad lays down on the surface, you need look down on your iPad while you are typing. This is going to creat constraint on your neck. This is bad for you neck in long term. We already have lots of computer related physical injury as it is. Having your head looking down on the iPad is not the most ergonomic way of doing things.

Third. If you want to be ergonmic when you are typing, you need your iPad facing towards you and have it sit on a stand or case. If you do that, typing on the keyboard is the fastest way.

Forth. iPad is designed using finger to operate the devices. If you have the iPad siting on a case and facing toward you, you need constantly lifting your arm up to operate the devices. This is not ergonomic way to doing thing either. Have a mouse to operate is much more ergonomical.


Also, generally any precise point and select will require mouse opearation. Finger not as precise as mouse, I don’t know about you, I will have hard time to select text on the iPad and do anything requires me select items all the time, like excel sheet. Mouse is just so much more precise.

Touch screen typing position is most convenient. You can do text selection and anything else almost from typing position. With keyboard mouse you are always moving your hand to a mouse and back. You don’t need precise selection to edit text. Double tap a word and you can drag the handles to select anything.

Surface maybe bad as tablet, but it offers more than iPad it alone. What I am really saying is the converge of laptop and tablet which offers more than just a laptop and just a tablet.

Microsoft Surface really offers more than just a tablet, you get the performance that needed for heavy tasking and you get the convinces for the mobility. This is what people actually look.

Now, if iPad gets its specialized OS which offer the power of traditional desktop OS and you can get heavy tasking done while you maintain the mobility side of it, then I would go for it.

Plus, until you really get everything wireless, Surface offers more ports than iPad. This is also very important for many people. I would like to have more port than just one lightning port.
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No. I have tried using touch only. This is no way of comparing using mouse and keyboard combination. I am sure you know so much keyboard shortcut key with your professional software. I operate my desktop computer and iPad with bunch of keyboard shortcuts.

One other thing about typing is ergonomic.

First is the feeling when you type. Good keyboard gives you good anmount of key travels that makes typing easier and satifiying. This is one of the reason mechanical keyboard are very popular.

Second, if you want type on iPad without keyboard and your ten fingers, you really only have one typing position. You need lay the iPad flat down and typing not he on screen keyboard. This creat a problems. First you have no whrist rest, therefore, your arm is not in the most comfortable typing position. Second, when you have your iPad lays down on the surface, you need look down on your iPad while you are typing. This is going to creat constraint on your neck. This is bad for you neck in long term. We already have lots of computer related physical injury as it is. Having your head looking down on the iPad is not the most ergonomic way of doing things.

Third. If you want to be ergonmic when you are typing, you need your iPad facing towards you and have it sit on a stand or case. If you do that, typing on the keyboard is the fastest way.

Forth. iPad is designed using finger to operate the devices. If you have the iPad siting on a case and facing toward you, you need constantly lifting your arm up to operate the devices. This is not ergonomic way to doing thing either. Have a mouse to operate is much more ergonomical.


Also, generally any precise point and select will require mouse opearation. Finger not as precise as mouse, I don’t know about you, I will have hard time to select text on the iPad and do anything requires me select items all the time, like excel sheet. Mouse is just so much more precise.

It’s going to be a while for pro software to come to iOS. It wasn’t feasible a few years ago without the 12.9” or the Apple Pencil. I doubt we will ever see altium or any other commercial bloatware come to iOS. They will be replaced by new tools that are made by young visionary companies. Apple Pencil is very precise, small icon toolbars like you see in adobe products are totally feasible. Photoshop ui still needs to be rewritten since it was designed around a mouse with right click and double click. Adobe products were always meant to run on a tablet with a stylus eventually. Who draws with a mouse? The 30 degree angle you get with a stock cover is comfortable typing. I just did a typing test to measure. Magic keyboard got 99 wpm. Soft keyboard got 46 wpm first try and 70 wpm second try. I would be more than thrilled if I can score in the 80s with some practice.

 

[bruinsrme]

I think the demise of the Mac will follow the demise of the pickup truck. Sales volume will steadily decline while prices go up and options go down. We already see how the Mac line generally get more expensive and is reduced to 6 options- 3 MacBooks, 2 iMacs and a Mac Pro. This happened to pickup trucks in the late 90s. Soon after that, companies consolidated their truck lines and some like Mazda completely stopped selling trucks. Newer companies like Kia never even started selling trucks. When apple decides to stop selling trucks there will be a lot of disappointed fans just like when Mazda discontinued theirs. I think Apple will be way ahead of the pack in discontinuing their trucks.

Seems like pick up sales have been increasing YoY. While companies may have consolidated lines, pick up sales have been doing well. Toyota Tacoma saw a nice little 25%+ growth between 2016/7

 

[subjonas]

You don’t need precise selection to edit text. Double tap a word and you can drag the handles to select anything.

Oh man, I couldn’t disagree more. I’ve been dragging the handles on touch screens with my finger for the last 9 years and it’s just as much of a nightmare today as it was back then. Unless you’re using 30 size font, you really need precision to select text. And for precision there’s no comparing a pixel-precise cursor and a big, squishy finger.

 

[bensisko]

You feel the Surface Pro to be more because you wanted a laptop, and the Surface Pro IS a laptop. Comparing it with the iPad is non-sensical. And no, Surface Pro doesn't offer "more" vs a laptop, especially in the windows world. It's "bad" as a laptop (top heavy), and extremely poor as a tablet. In short, it is not good at anything. Portability? There are plenty of lighter ultrabooks nowadays than the Surface Pro.

Surface offers more ports than iPad? Sure. But for a laptop, the Surface Pro is a joke. The Surface Pro only has a single USB A port and a mini display port. Nearly every laptop at any price points offer better solutions than the Surface Pro in terms of ports. Heck, even Lenovo made a Surface Pro clone, and put more ports. So comparing Surface Pro to an iPad and pretending it to be superior by number of ports is a fallacy.

What the Surface succeeded is creating a desirable brand for Microsoft (like XBox). People buying Surface Pros for the brand, not because of the utility (like I said, most use it as a laptop, and if one needs a laptop, there are much better laptops for the money out there). If you really love the Surface brand, buy the Surface Book instead, and you will have a much better experience right off the bat vs the Surface Pro.

I completely agree that trying to compare the iPad with the Surface is non-sensical - it’s like trying to compare a pickup truck to a sports car.

I also agree that the Surface falls REALLY short on being a good tablet (as much as they try, the Windows User Experience is STILL a desktop), and an okay laptop.

Having said that... it’s the best Windows 10 experience out there and I do enjoy using my Surface much more than any Windows laptop. The Surface would never replace my iPad, but it can replace a Windows laptop/desktop (assuming you don’t need a lot of graphics or processing power).

As far as “buying the brand”... I can’t completely disagree, but at the same time they’re great devices and I think they’re the best in their category (I’ve seen the Samsung and it looks pretty cool). The brand is good, but I think the hardware is as well.

 

[rowspaxe]

I loved the mouse/keyboard paradigm but its ending.

Not anytime soon

 

[EssModelsRule]

Seems like pick up sales have been increasing YoY. While companies may have consolidated lines, pick up sales have been doing well. Toyota Tacoma saw a nice little 25%+ growth between 2016/7

Agreed that truck sales are not currently declining and the post you replied to was way off (I mean, the Mazda was a rebadged Ranger...), but there’s no way Toyota has the production capacity to increase Tacoma sales by 25% in a year. They’re adding capacity now, but a 25% increase would be almost 50k extra Tacoma’s a year since they sell 190k+ in the US. Reports I’ve seen show 3-4% gains from 2016 to 2017. Anyway, with new GM and Ram 1500s on the way along with a new Ranger and Jeep Wrangler-based pickup, the truck segment is very hot right now. I skip between Apple and truck forums mostly, so I feel lost right now. Trucks (and Macs!) are here to stay for quite some time for anyone that needs or wants them.

 

[bruinsrme]

Agreed that truck sales are not currently declining and the post you replied to was way off (I mean, the Mazda was a rebadged Ranger...), but there’s no way Toyota has the production capacity to increase Tacoma sales by 25% in a year. They’re adding capacity now, but a 25% increase would be almost 50k extra Tacoma’s a year since they sell 190k+ in the US. Reports I’ve seen show 3-4% gains from 2016 to 2017. Anyway, with new GM and Ram 1500s on the way along with a new Ranger and Jeep Wrangler-based pickup, the truck segment is very hot right now. I skip between Apple and truck forums mostly, so I feel lost right now. Trucks (and Macs!) are here to stay for quite some time for anyone that needs or wants them.

Maybe I was off a little
https://www.bizjournals.com/sananto...ta-gets-big-lift-in-sa-made-pickup-truck.html