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On 1 point I do agree. Bluetooth sound quality should be addressed. The first time I listened to Bluetooth in a car I nearly **** myself and reached for that darn cable in disgust.

Agreed, wholeheartedly. You don't have to be an audiophile to hear the loss in sound quality between Bluetooth audio and wired audio if you are playing lossless audio on halfway decent equipment. I have consumer-grade (i.e. Sony, Kenwood etc.) aftermarket radio and speakers in the car and the difference is obvious. I have ultimate ears earbuds and they sound way better than the Bluetooth headphone I use at the gym.

I'll be fine with this move in the long term when we have a wireless standard that can provide a high enough bitrate to stream lossless audio and match what we can get with wires. Maybe that's Bluetooth 5. I'm also interested in Sony's LDAC headphones, maybe they are a decent stopgap.

Not really interested in buying Lightning headphones because it's hard to say how much longer Apple would even keep the Lightning port around once they have wireless charging working.
 
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When wifi first came out it was slower than Ethernet but it had enough advantages that people started using it anyways. That's how technology advances. The more people who use it the more it will improve over the next few years. Already I can't notice a difference in audio quality between Bluetooth and wired headphones.
WiFi is still slower than Ethernet though Lol. I do notice the difference but it doesn't bother me to be honest.
 
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Most iPhone users actually use the dreadful packed in EarPods that have horrible sound. I don't think the mass market concern is Bluetooth bitrate audio quality but rather having to deal with an adapter or buying something new. I do agree with the charging and using wired headphones at the same time being a issue. Most people buy really cheap sony/skull candy and offbrand stuff from Amazon. Most people that come here are different but we are a very small demographic compared to the mass market.
 
When wifi first came out it was slower than Ethernet but it had enough advantages that people started using it anyways. That's how technology advances. The more people who use it the more it will improve over the next few years. Already I can't notice a difference in audio quality between Bluetooth and wired headphones.
I'm sure you would agree that a 1080p HD digital TV picture is far better than a CRT SD analogue TV picture. However, whenever I go into my mom's house, she's got her 40" flat screen tuned to an SD station, with the widescreen stretch function turned on. There's nothing better about that picture than what she used to get on her 19" CRT. The only advantage in that situation is that her TV is larger but takes up much less room than her old one. I fix it every time I'm there, but she's reverted it by my next visit -- she doesn't like the black bars on the sides and top.

The point is, BT is not yet up to 1080p HD broadcasts, it's still putting out SD. The 3.5mm Jack in contrast is putting out 4K video, continuing the analogy. just because you don't personally hear the difference is no different than my mom watching a stretched SD broadcast and not seeing the difference. The disparity exists.

Going off your analogy, when I got my first HDTV there were no HD channels available from my provider, BluRay had not been released yet and everything was simply stretched. That didn't stop me and many others from buying them. Within a few years of HDTV's becoming more affordable and more widely used the content followed and now it has become the standard. The same is happening with 4K right now (technology is out there but most content is just stretched).

Bluetooth will continue to improve and the gap in quality will close. In the meantime everyone who is able to hear a difference is free to use the included adapter.

I agree. In fact I have made the exact same analogy -- it took the federal government to shut off analogue broadcasts before consumers started switching to digital TV equipment, just as it took Apple removing the headphone jack to start the drive toward digital audio equipment; even though there were plenty of HD channels and content readily available over the free airwaves, if not individual cable and satellite providers, just as there were Lightning and BT options already on the market for years.

But that's a different analogy than I'm making. There is plenty of high quality audio content available everywhere. Most people are listening to 320 AAC or equivalent sound files, which is as a close to CD quality as most people need. Going back to my analogy, BT is currently at the SD end of the spectrum in terms of reproducing those sound files. It's the equivalent of putting an digital converter on your old CRT after the transition -- all of the HD digital content is available, you're just still viewing it in analogue SD, with the same drawbacks. 720p, 1080p, 4K are all shades of what's currently available with wired tech (3.5mm or Lightning), whether from an Mp3 or directly from a CD. So if 3.5mm/Lightning is an HD TV set, BT is an SD set. Content is the same. In this analogy, in terms of quality, after the government turned off the analogue signal, buying a BT headphone is as if a consumer went out and bought a new analogue flat screen TV with a digital converter box -- they're getting none of the benefits of the quality improvements of digital HD, despite getting the convenience of a flat screen (similar to the convenience of wireless mobility), but it's worse, because currently BT customers are paying the 4K TV price.

As for 3.5mm vs. Lightning, I'd say the difference is more like 1080p vs. 4K. Lightning will potentially enable higher quality sound reproduction over what the 6s 3.5mm offers, by putting a higher grade DAC and amp into the headphones, which are better paired to the equipment's audio characteristics, with the added benefit that the headphones will always sound the same as long as they are plugged into a digital source; whereas they will sound different on every analogue source they're connected to, since they are colored by the amp and/or DAC used in the equipment. If we dump wired audio into the same digital TV analogy, I'd say yours applies more to this -- the government turned off the analogue signal, and went digital. The reason Apple has dropped the ball here is that while you still have the option to plug a wire into Lightning, it would be like buying a new digital TV that wasn't compatible with any of your old analogue equipment, and no one made an adapter for it. So you wouldn't be able to plug your new digital HD TV set into the RCA, or Coax outputs from a VCR, or DVD player, or video game, just like you can't plug your new Lightning headphones into a 3.5mm jack, or a USB-C port of a MacBook, et al, for instance. While I suspect someone will eventually make an adapter for that, can you imagine how dumb it would have been if a customer bought a new HD TV set after the government shut off the analogue signal, and they couldn't plug in any existing DVD players, and no one made a way to plug them into the sets, and there were no compatible DVD players on the market yet? So the only way to get content into the new TVs would be from over the air digital broadcasts (Lightning)? The digital revolution would have ground to a halt. But that didn't happen as digital TV makers included every port a person could possibly need in their sets to connect with whatever current products were being sold on the market (nor did they make the customer buy a bunch of dongles to use them, which is another issue separate from this).

And those are the two options we currently have. Apple has given us a low quality audio option, with the freedom of wireless, or a high quality wired option that can't be used with anything else. There is a third option, but it essentially puts the customer right back where they started with the inconvenience of additional things to purchase and carry to access the same content exactly as they did before. Apple has sold you a digital TV signal, but only allow you to access the highest quality over the air with your new HDTV set (Lightning on a newer iOS device), or lower quality with an expensive new SD TV set (BT), or the same quality offered before, via a limited function digital converter box (3.5mm adapter). Since Apple gives away the adapter for free, there's nothing encouraging anyone to adopt either BT or Lightning, except the improved convenience of BT (as far as we know), and native compatibility of Lightning. Anyone who needs greater quality, compatibility and/or functionality than what's available is going to opt for using their old equipment with the adapter.

So while I agree with you 100%, that wireless is the future and we have some growing pains, just as we did through the digital TV transition, and USB, et al, Apple has done nothing to actually encourage this transition. They've taken away the headphone port, but haven't offered any real improvements, and in fact have taken away functionality. And that's why they've botched this whole thing.
 
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Technology standards advance because there is a replacement that users can easily switch to that offers real benefits in EVERY way, not just one or two. Individuals make this choice as a group, over time, because the merits of this replacement tech warrant it, not because one company says so. Floppies were replaced with CD-ROMs because they offered tremendous benefits in every way: capacity, speed, cost, reliability. Wireless is largely preferred over ethernet today, but keep in mind ethernet is still around because wireless does not provide better speed, reliability and security. Therefore they coexist and smart companies cater to both markets.

If BT is better in every way over wired analog audio—size, convenience, sound quality and reliability—then surely it is the way of the future. Obviously we are not there yet, but Apple is leading the charge. Or trying to. Today while at the airport I saw no less than five iPhone users charging their devices while using headphones. Is this being bold or is it seeing your huge customer base as a cash cow to milk? IMO Apple should have bought a Li-ion battery company, not a headphone company.
 
Apple doesn't have to do anything except wait for people to get over it.

This is something they're fairly good at doing.

The public and the pundits had a conniption when Apple dropped the floppy drive.

The public and the pundits had a conniption when Apple dropped the optical drive.

The public and pundits had a conniption when Apple did a built-in battery on the iphone and didn't add a microsd slot.


Aftermarket vendors will rush to fill in any gaps that seem profitable and the world will keep on turning.
 
This is something they're fairly good at doing.

The public and the pundits had a conniption when Apple dropped the floppy drive.

The public and the pundits had a conniption when Apple dropped the optical drive.

The public and pundits had a conniption when Apple did a built-in battery on the iphone and didn't add a microsd slot.


Aftermarket vendors will rush to fill in any gaps that seem profitable and the world will keep on turning.

Or, people can just get over it and get a non-Apple smartphone with a headphone jack.
 
Highly doubt it.

Samsung will go down one of 2 paths:

1. "Me too!" and remove the jack
2. "Buy our phones, at least we still have a headphone jack!" - TV ads mocking the headphone jack to follow and when people finally get over it they will remove it as well.
 
There are two issues, the inability to charge and listen to music at the same time, and the adoption of lighting rather than USB-C, both of which lead onto a bigger problem. Wireless charging and USB-C would have been more convincing as I could charge and listen to music, and USB-C is becoming the new standard of connectivity anyway, so I could have used my headphones on other devices without an adaptor, cos let's face it adaptors suck. With lightning I'm forced to use Apple devices, but I've just bought a Windows laptop because Apple don't make hardware that meets my requirements (laptop with 32GB RAM), and at this point I'm not going to buy a new Mac because it supports lighting headphones, I'll just ditch the iPhone.

So the combination of badly thought out hardware choices on iPhone together with woefully out of date Mac hardware doesn't make for a great product strategy. Good think Apple is very open about it's product roadmaps for the Mac eh?
 
I don't think the backlash has been as bad as it could have been to be honest and some of that was probably because it was "leaked" many months ago and people knew it was coming. Apple aren't even the first company to do it and always knew they'd get some flak for it, but they've had worse in the past with other things which have happened.
 
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I have a $10 pair of earphones that work great for me. I bought another pair on Amazon today. One pair will stay in my backpack for listening on my computer, the other one will have the adaptor on it at all times so I can listen to them with my 7. Not ideal, and I wish the jack would have stayed, but the benefits of the 7 for the same monthly cost of my 6s outweigh the drawback of the removal of the headphone jack.
 
Samsung will go down one of 2 paths:

1. "Me too!" and remove the jack
2. "Buy our phones, at least we still have a headphone jack!" - TV ads mocking the headphone jack to follow and when people finally get over it they will remove it as well.

They will do both.

2. At first they will actively market themselves as an alternative to the iPhone, which Apple has completely left themselves open to by not providing the same functionality over Lightning and BT as they had with the 3.5mm jack. Then,

1. They will most likely hold onto the headphone jack until Apple jumps to contactless wireless charging, and removes the Lightning port. Once Apple goes port-less, no phone manufacturers will want to miss that boat, because it will make manufacturing so much easier. But until that last port goes, Samsung has the edge with the headphone jack crowd.

There are two issues, the inability to charge and listen to music at the same time, and the adoption of lighting rather than USB-C, both of which lead onto a bigger problem. Wireless charging and USB-C would have been more convincing as I could charge and listen to music, and USB-C is becoming the new standard of connectivity anyway, so I could have used my headphones on other devices without an adaptor, cos let's face it adaptors suck. With lightning I'm forced to use Apple devices, but I've just bought a Windows laptop because Apple don't make hardware that meets my requirements (laptop with 32GB RAM), and at this point I'm not going to buy a new Mac because it supports lighting headphones, I'll just ditch the iPhone.

So the combination of badly thought out hardware choices on iPhone together with woefully out of date Mac hardware doesn't make for a great product strategy. Good think Apple is very open about it's product roadmaps for the Mac eh?

There are more than two issues, but let's unpack yours. I agree with the first one. It was a short-sighted move to remove functionality offered with the headphone jack and not replace it with Lightning. Apple shouldn't rush to add proprietary inductive wireless charging just to have it, as there are third party alternatives that can offer that for the iPhone now. But they didn't have to, since they already offer Lightning passthrough technology in their external battery case they could have easily included for free in the box integrated into the Lightning cable. A bulky $40 dongle was a marketing blunder.

USB-C is not an issue in this transition, especially since USB-C has virtually no market penetration at this point. Lightning is just fine as long as Apple supports it on other devices. But they haven't. I can't use the Lightning headphones included in the box on anything but some newer iOS devices. Lightning is probably coming to new Macs in a month or two, and hopefully by then there will be adapters for Lightning to USB-C, -A, and Thunderbolt, for which there are none now. For $9, Apple should have had the courage to exclude the 3.5mm adapters from the box and instead promote Lightning use with a 3.5mm source to Lightning headphone adapter -- at least that way customers could immediately begin using their Lightning headphones with every device they own, rather than encourage the continued use of old 3.5mm headphones. Even if Apple included a USB-C to Lightning headphone adapter, it would only work on one Apple product at the moment, not to mention few other products worldwide.
 
I don't know if I'm in the majority or in the minority, but I think wireless charging is overrated and just stupid.

Its more expensive, because you have to buy charging pads and what not. Its slower, well because its wireless. And, it runs hotter because there is a bunch of wasted energy. Wireless charging is just not there yet. Maybe in a few years.
 
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Audiophiles remind me of how people think expensive wine replaced into a cheap bottle tastes bad.

Depends what you mean by "audiophile." If you are talking about the difference between lossless audio (i.e. at or nearly at 16/44.1 CD-quality) versus MP3 or AAC audio, then there is a difference that many people can detect. That's the kind of drop off in bitrate and sound quality that occurs when you go from a wired to Bluetooth connection. I can hear the difference.

If you are talking about audio whose quality exceeds CDs such as 24/96, then I'm not inclined to argue. You would need some pretty high-test equipment to notice a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96, and I don't know that a qualitative difference really exists. I will never know because I couldn't afford it anyway.

For the record, I don't spend over $20 for a bottle of wine! You can get a pretty darn good Reisling or Gewurtz for that price.

I will be happy when wireless headphones can stream lossless audio as well as wired headphones. We're not there yet. From all reports the Airpods can't do it. Maybe in a year or two when we have Bluetooth 5.
 
Apple doesn't have to do anything except wait for people to get over it. The headphone market has been headed in this direction for years, and the rate is accelerating.

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(Yes, I think it's dumb that the red line represents bluetooth headphones, and the blue line represents non-bluetooth headphones.)

That's sales revenue, not units.

The average price of a pair of wired earbuds is $10 and the typical Bluetooth headset exceeds $100, so do the math. In terms of units sold, Bluetooth is less than 15% of the business and it's been out there for public consideration for over 10 years.

If you are a jogger or a gym rat, wireless headphones are worth the inconvenience. For everyone else, we hate them.

BJ
 
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If Apple really wanted to push technology & had courage, they would have at least included bluetooth headphones. Maybe not the same caliber as AirPods but something wireless. They only push technology when it benefits them (ex. Why are selling 4K iMacs with 5400RPM hardddrives? Shouldn't they be courageous and have SSDs???).
 
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Or, people can just get over it and get a non-Apple smartphone with a headphone jack.
This.

I used to prefer Android over Apple because of the convenience of sd cards and removable batteries. Now I prefer Android over Apple because of the convenience of sd cards and a headphone jack. I used to dislike built in batteries, but the technique has evolved and my 2,5 year old Z1 Compact still holds out for at least 2 days, so there is no real worry that I can't use it for my preferred 4 years life cycle. The new worry is that Sony won't build a high end smartphone in a small formfactor 2 years from now. Than I might have to overthink the purchase of the successor of the Ipone SE and than I really have to make up my mind and decide what is most important to me. Small form factor or sd cards and 3,5 mm jacks.....

First world problems ey?
 
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Currently typing this whilst listening to the radio with earpods and charging my iPhone 6 at the same time - will seriously miss this luxury when i get the anniversary iPhone next year:(
 
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This wasn't about courage or shifting the market. This is about forcing sales of proprietary accessories. Apple didn't make money off of headphone jack accessories -- they will make money off of everything built for lightning.

I think the real failure here is that Apple stuck with the Lightning connector. If they had introduced the USB C connector to the iPhone they would have joined other phone manufacturers who have already made that switch. Apple already has products in place for USB C -- it's just ridiculous to stick with lightning. They even sell a ridiculous USB C to thunderbolt cable.

I think Apple made a huge mistake. They're eventually going to shift to USB C in the iPhone's as its introduced into more peripherals and becomes the standard. Customers are going to suffer because they're going to purchase lightning equipped peripherals only to see them die off in the next year or two when Apple joins the USB c group with its mobile devices.

On the headphones and charging... Well it's just ridiculous that customers have to choose between charging and listening. It's ridiculous that they have to use dongles. And don't forget, ditching the headphone jack didn't just eliminate all of those headphones with Aux 3.5mm plugs. It also left behind every selfie stick, credit card reader, external flash or remote, every non blue tooth equipped car, etc. They eliminated a lot of the accessory market for their customers. Bad move
 
This wasn't about courage or shifting the market. This is about forcing sales of proprietary accessories. Apple didn't make money off of headphone jack accessories -- they will make money off of everything built for lightning.

I think the real failure here is that Apple stuck with the Lightning connector. If they had introduced the USB C connector to the iPhone they would have joined other phone manufacturers who have already made that switch. Apple already has products in place for USB C -- it's just ridiculous to stick with lightning. They even sell a ridiculous USB C to thunderbolt cable.

I think Apple made a huge mistake. They're eventually going to shift to USB C in the iPhone's as its introduced into more peripherals and becomes the standard. Customers are going to suffer because they're going to purchase lightning equipped peripherals only to see them die off in the next year or two when Apple joins the USB c group with its mobile devices.

On the headphones and charging... Well it's just ridiculous that customers have to choose between charging and listening. It's ridiculous that they have to use dongles. And don't forget, ditching the headphone jack didn't just eliminate all of those headphones with Aux 3.5mm plugs. It also left behind every selfie stick, credit card reader, external flash or remote, every non blue tooth equipped car, etc. They eliminated a lot of the accessory market for their customers. Bad move

USB-C is not an issue in this transition, especially since USB-C has virtually no market penetration at this point. Lightning is just fine as long as Apple supports it on other devices. But they haven't. I can't use the Lightning headphones included in the box on anything but some newer iOS devices. Lightning is probably coming to new Macs in a month or two, and hopefully by then there will be adapters for Lightning to USB-C, -A, and Thunderbolt, for which there are none now. For $9, Apple should have had the courage to exclude the 3.5mm adapters from the box and instead promote Lightning use with a 3.5mm source to Lightning headphone adapter -- at least that way customers could immediately begin using their Lightning headphones with every device they own, rather than encourage the continued use of old 3.5mm headphones. Even if Apple included a USB-C to Lightning headphone adapter, it would only work on one Apple product at the moment, not to mention few other products worldwide.

As for your claim that they left behind the headphone jack market, they absolutely didn't. The 3.5mm adapter included FREE in the box, a mere $9 accessory from Apple (likely less from others), will apparently work with all headphone jack accessories. The worst case scenario is that any product designed to plug into the headphone jack will require the 3.5mm to headphone jack adaptor. If a customer only ever needs one and doesn't lose it, then Apple will never make another dime off of any of those headphone jack products.
 
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